Every GM on every team has a list like this. Most are worse. 14 GMS passed over Greek Freak. 14 GMs passed over Kawhi. 29 GMs passed over Butler.
It is kinda a useless exercise.
Dante Exum: The Future is Not Now
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Every GM on every team has a list like this. Most are worse. 14 GMS passed over Greek Freak. 14 GMs passed over Kawhi. 29 GMs passed over Butler.
It is kinda a useless exercise.
green
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So, what was a great draft for DL?
He has had 5 lottery picks and has NOTHING to show for it.
Does every GM has a track record like that?
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Some have worse records. How many lottery picks have the Clippers had over the years? The lottery is anything but a sure thing.
Exum and Gobert were great picks. One has proven it the other will prove it. Hood was also a really good pick. It is way way too early to say what kind of draft pick Lyles is. He could still become a good pick. Last year was a great draft for him as well. The Hill trade was fantastic for this team.
It is also well known that Lindsey did not want to draft Burke. That was on Corbin and others.
Frankly when you take Burke out of it we dont really know what kind of draft he had it is too early but signs are good that the rest was okay. There will almost always be players taken later that end up being better than ones ahead but if you redo the draft and your player is taken ahead of where he is picked then you did a good job. Gobert and Hood definitely fit that bill. I think Exum will end up proving that as well.
Gobert would be the #1 or #2 pick of his draft. Hood probably a top 10 pick from that draft.
MVP
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Come on now...Exum can't be called even a good pick yet. If anything he is closer to bust than to a great pick. ESPN's Chard Ford and Kevin Pelton think that way too:
Utah Jazz
Best: Deron Williams, No. 3, 2005 (KP)/Gordon Hayward, No. 9, 2010 (CF)
Worst: Dante Exum, No. 5, 2014 (KP)/Trey Burke, No. 9, 2013 (CF)
While they haven't made many lottery picks (nine in 33 years), the Jazz's track record is surprisingly checkered after All-Stars Hayward and Williams -- partially because Hall of Famers Malone and John Stockton were both taken outside the lottery. (Kevin concluded recently that Malone is the greatest non-lottery pick since 1985.)
Utah gave up two first-round picks to move up for Burke, who fell out of the Wizards' rotation this season. Exum still has plenty of time to move out of this spot, particularly because he lost a season to a knee injury, but so far Marcus Smart and Elfrid Payton have been far more productive.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank-19393608/every-team-best-worst-lottery-picks
Gobert obviously was his best pick as Jazz GM so far, no doubt about that, but I think you missing that green is talking about lottery picks. Gobert was not a lottery pick.
Douchebag K
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yeah coz ESPN know so damn much lol
mate, Smart and Payton have been far more useful but there's a good chance they now are all they are going to ever be yeah ?? The ACL is even more of a bummer in hindsight because we still don't know what Exum will be. Totally moronic to rate him already the worst alongside Trey Burke who may not even be in the league next year.
elan_prodigy
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Agree.
Even though Hood plateaued offensively this year, I did see his improvement on the defensive end.
He improved a lot on defense and took a big jump there. His shot was inconsistent but I think he will still improve. His injuries really derailed him a bit this season along with some others. Almost every team would love to have Hood on their team.
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green
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I'm not sure if I'd give a ton of credit for Gobert. That was a lucky pick. If Lindsey really loved Gobert, he would not have passed him up twice for Trey Burke.
Now, I LOVE that pick. Gobert may move above Deron as my favorite current player, but to give DL a ton of credit for that pick? I'm not so sure about that.
Now, if DL would have taken Giannis and Gobert instead of Burke...then he'd get credit. He'd be the best drafter ever.
Now, I LOVE that pick. Gobert may move above Deron as my favorite current player, but to give DL a ton of credit for that pick? I'm not so sure about that.
Now, if DL would have taken Giannis and Gobert instead of Burke...then he'd get credit. He'd be the best drafter ever.
Miggs
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What a dumb comment. I loved Ryan Switzer in the NFL Draft. LOVED him. That doesn't mean I'd take him ahead of Corey Davis.
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green
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This is for you and Wes:
If Lindsey thought Gobert was going to be half as good as he has turned out to be, he would have drafted him at 9 and not Burke. Or 12.
I LOVE what Gobert has turned into. BUT, we are damn lucky to have him. We don't have him because Lindsay is a great drafter. We have him because we got lucky.
If Lindsey was a great drafter, he would have drafted Gobert at 9 or 12.
elan_prodigy
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You obviously didn't get my point. You are ruling out that DL may have just done his due diligence and knew no one else was going to take him that early. Again, why take someone at #9 when you know you can get them later??
Drafting someone at #27 who you would/could have taken earlier is being a good drafter.
I'm not saying this happened by neither you or I can rule it out.
ghsartin
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As far as highlights are concerned, the video that opens this thread is probably one of the least exciting ever. Exum has done very little this season, as in his rookie year. There were some improvements in his game during the last three years, but nothing to get excited about, IMO. If he was playing for another team, half of his supporters here on Jazzfanz would not want to trade for him: "Hell no! This guy can't do anything! Thanks but no thanks!" - many would say. That being said, he is still quick, long and a good ball-handler for his size, so there's still hope. If by the end of next season he doesn't show a clear improvement by becoming at least a somewhat reliable rotation player, I would say "Trade him!"
Regarding the fact that he was considered a long-term project: being one cannot mean that Exum will become a decent player for a good team only after his rookie contract expired. The idea behind contracting someone for whatever job is that the person can actually perform the tasks associated with this job. If the person in question, even after an adjustment period, cannot to so, we are talking about a failure. It is as simple as that. By the way, Exum was picked 5th in the draft. We are not talking about a second-round pick who may be kept around by the team because he has shown flashes of ability and perhaps may be someday useful. Exum is supposed to be a talent. He better begin to show it.
Regarding the fact that he was considered a long-term project: being one cannot mean that Exum will become a decent player for a good team only after his rookie contract expired. The idea behind contracting someone for whatever job is that the person can actually perform the tasks associated with this job. If the person in question, even after an adjustment period, cannot to so, we are talking about a failure. It is as simple as that. By the way, Exum was picked 5th in the draft. We are not talking about a second-round pick who may be kept around by the team because he has shown flashes of ability and perhaps may be someday useful. Exum is supposed to be a talent. He better begin to show it.
elan_prodigy
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Apologize, I don't know how to enlarge a picture...
Anyway, He has all the physical tools and the desire to play in this league, now it's an issue of coaching and development (and health of course).
Anyway, He has all the physical tools and the desire to play in this league, now it's an issue of coaching and development (and health of course).
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elan_prodigy
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Even if he still isn't what everyone hopes next year I think we need to persist as he will only be 22yrs old and on a cheap contract.