David Locke toasts Kanter on 1280

[Sexual Favors]

Oh, so you think Kanter was referring to David Locke all along with those comments?

No, not all of them. I'm also not excusing Enes. I just think he had a point with that one. A point that Locke has proved time and time again. Tip-Off is great and everything, but Locke can be abrasive with his flawed understanding of analytics. Not a good look. Popovich was a dick to Locke, but he had a point.

 

[Maneesh]

I haven't read this post yet, but wanted to drop this comment before I read it all.

When Enes made his lack of professionalism comments, the first thing I thought of was our team-hired media. David Locke especially. All of them, except for Ron Boone are a bunch of hacks. If I was a young foreign player and I had the team-hired radio announcer attacking me in a foreign language, with stats he had time to prepare, and thinly veiled insults/ backhanded compliments, (like Locke did to him at locker cleanout), I wouldn't think it was too professional.

In enes' pregame comments, he even said he had a lot of respect for our coaches, and told the media emphatically no when they suggested his time here was a nightmare.




I'll read this thread tomorrow at work.

I think you always try and find the positive when it comes to Kanter even if it is not in your best interest.

 

[MT Steve]

No, not all of them. I'm also not excusing Enes. I just think he had a point with that one.

He really doesn't. If this was New York or Philadelphia or any big market, Kanter would've been crucified by the team media. When it comes to pointing out flaws on the home team's players, Locke is relatively mild.

I also find it a remarkable stretch to try to justify Kanter's remarks by implying he was referring to David Locke of all things.

 

[Sexual Favors]

He really doesn't. If this was New York or Philadelphia or any big market, Kanter would've been crucified by the team media. When it comes to pointing out flaws on the home team's players, Locke is relatively mild.

I also find it a remarkable stretch to try to justify Kanter's remarks by implying he was referring to David Locke of all things.

Why do you find it a stretch? Locke is the radio voice of the Jazz, travels with the team, is the insider for national media like Pelton and Lowe, has interviewed Enes multiple times, has a daily podcast where he's reinforced a lot of BS to rarely recant. Locke is very engaged with our fanbase, and as such a lot of his viewpoints influence a lot of us.

Players hear a lot more these days than ever before. They are a lot more connected than you think. Especially the young ones.

 

[MT Steve]

Why do you find it a stretch? Locke is the radio voice of the Jazz, travels with the team, is the insider for national media like Pelton and Lowe, has interviewed Enes multiple times, has a daily podcast where he's reinforced a lot of BS to rarely recant. Locke is very engaged with our fanbase, and as such a lot of his viewpoints influence a lot of us.

Players hear a lot more these days than ever before. They are a lot more connected than you think. Especially the young ones.

So you're seriously going to try to justify Kanter's professionalism comment by claiming that he was referring to David Locke.

It is truly incredible the lengths some will go to just to maintain the devil's advocate role.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Locke was pushing that 1-13 stat and Enes in starting lineup = a loss stat hard. It took him almost a year to acknowledge half the variables at play. Why? Because Locke was protecting Corbin at the time. The whe Corbin's gone, he becane a little more honest. Locke is an establishment head with a motor-mouth.

 

[Sexual Favors]

So you're seriously going to try to justify Kanter's professionalism comment by claiming that he was referring to David Locke.

It is truly incredible the lengths some will go to just to maintain the devil's advocate role.

Point blank. Do you think Locke was professional at locker cleanout?

 

[MT Steve]

Point blank. Do you think Locke was professional at locker cleanout?

No. But guess what - unprofessional behavior isn't uncommon at all in the media. They ask probing questions. And in larger markets, they are incredibly brutal. Far more brutal than fragile little Enes has ever experienced. If Kanter was truly referring to David Locke, then that's almost even worse for him - you want to tell me the guy is so insecure that he can't even handle one mildly tough media member?

Anyways this is all moot because I seriously doubt Kanter was referring to David Locke with those comments and I find the idea absolutely laughable.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

He really doesn't. If this was New York or Philadelphia or any big market, Kanter would've been crucified by the team media. When it comes to pointing out flaws on the home team's players, Locke is relatively mild.

I also find it a remarkable stretch to try to justify Kanter's remarks by implying he was referring to David Locke of all things.

Nothing is ever black and white.

 

[Sexual Favors]

No. But guess what - unprofessional behavior isn't uncommon at all in the media. They ask probing questions. And in larger markets, they are incredibly brutal. Far more brutal than fragile little Enes has ever experienced. If Kanter was truly referring to David Locke, then that's almost even worse for him - you want to tell me the guy is so insecure that he can't even handle one mildly tough media member?

Anyways this is all moot because I seriously doubt Kanter was referring to David Locke with those comments and I find the idea absolutely laughable.

I already said it wasn't just Locke. But since this a thread about Locke...


Locke is mild with some (Hayward, even before he started to really shine), and harsh (well more motive driven, given what he tries to prove at a given time) with others (Burks, Kanter, etc.).

 

[MT Steve]

I already said it wasn't just Locke. But since this a thread about Locke...


Locke is mild with some (Hayward, even before he started to really shine), and harsh (well more motive driven, given what he tries to prove at a given time) with others (Burks, Kanter, etc.).

Locke is still nothing compared to what you see regularly from the media in larger markets.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Locke is still nothing compared to what you see regularly from the media in larger markets.

True.


But Locke has an influence on Jazzland that most other media members don't have in their markets. Wether we love him or hate him, we still listen to his tip-off. Some of it is complete garbage, while some of it is brilliant. Wether you admit it or not, his opinion holds sway and influence here.

Other media members an blogger listen to locke as well, and less than factual opinuons/stat interpretations become recycled as gospel.

 

[MT Steve]

That really doesn't diminish from my point: If Kanter was really that affected by Locke, he's an extremely insecure mental midget and I would've hated to see him try to handle media in the larger markets. And in a larger market it wouldn't have just been one person from the media criticizing Kanter, it would've been a small army of them, with an influence over a much larger group of fans.

I really don't think I want my team's core to feature a player that can't even handle David Locke.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Locke was pushing that 1-13 stat and Enes in starting lineup = a loss stat hard. It took him almost a year to acknowledge half the variables at play. Why? Because Locke was protecting Corbin at the time. The whe Corbin's gone, he becane a little more honest. Locke is an establishment head with a motor-mouth.

He was pushing that BECAUSE IT WAS RELEVANT INFORMATION AND IS BECOMING EVEN MORE RELEVANT WITH EACH PASSING GAME THAT KANCER IS GONE. Kanter had a horrific +/- for most of last season, both as a starter and coming off the bench. And the second they were rid of him, they went on a tear and they're a fundamentally different basketball team. When is it enough for you? What do you think you know about him that his teammates, front office personnel, and coaches didn't? Even OKC media is calling him out for being a chump. At what point do you and the rest of whatever your ilk are just acknowledge reality? That Kanter was a selfish player on the court, was disinterested or unable to play consistent winning basketball, and said some really ****ing stupid **** to the press isn't up for debate, so what is your point? If it has anything to do with Corbin, you can go ahead and treat this as a rhetorical question.

 

[Sexual Favors]

That really doesn't diminish from my point: If Kanter was really that affected by Locke, he's an extremely insecure mental midget and I would've hated to see him try to handle media in the larger markets. And in a larger market it wouldn't have just been one person from the media criticizing Kanter, it would've been a small army of them, with an influence over a much larger group of fans.

I really don't think I want my team's core to feature a player that can't even handle David Locke.

You don't have to worry about it anymore, as he'll never be on our team again.

Also, as said before, I don't think it was just Locke. But he sprang to my mind. Your large market argument doesn't hold a lot of water to me. Around the league, Salt Lake is known as having the most opinionated/engaged fanbase. While the scrutiny is high on a national stage in markets like NY and LA, I think it is safe to say that the ferocity of judgement is just as severe, if not moreso, here.

Also, I'm not excusing Kanter. What he did was immature, wreckless, and will cost him fans and potentially dollars. It cost his team a win.

I just think there is some of the pregame that was taken out of context, and some of it could've been said to protect himself from the boos he thought he'd hear. Those who study psych know this behavior all too well. Some people who fear impending confrontation will sometimes create a confrontation. Also, he's immature, has a language barrier, and watches too much wrestling. But he's lying when he said the boos didn't bother him. He wants to be loved, and fearing he wouldn't get it, he created the opposite.

My theory.

****ing shame too. Some would have booed him, but most would've been fine with the trade request I feel. It was addition by subtraction with Rudy and Derrick.

 

[Sexual Favors]

He was pushing that BECAUSE IT WAS RELEVANT INFORMATION AND IS BECOMING EVEN MORE RELEVANT WITH EACH PASSING GAME THAT KANCER IS GONE. Kanter had a horrific +/- for most of last season, both as a starter and coming off the bench. And the second they were rid of him, they went on a tear and they're a fundamentally different basketball team. When is it enough for you? What do you think you know about him that his teammates, front office personnel, and coaches didn't? Even OKC media is calling him out for being a chump. At what point do you and the rest of whatever your ilk are just acknowledge reality? That Kanter was a selfish player on the court, was disinterested or unable to play consistent winning basketball, and said some really ****ing stupid **** to the press isn't up for debate, so what is your point? If it has anything to do with Corbin, you can go ahead and treat this as a rhetorical question.

There are soo many different variables. Have you seriously never considered the improved play before the break, Dante starting over Trey for defense, Rudy playing more, etc? Thise are all HUGE factors. OKC has had a very similar record to us post all star break, and Enes has been the second option on that team. Sure, their defense hasn't been great, but they've also lost three of their better defensive players (Ibaka, Roberson and Durant) and were without another until recently (Adams). I gaurantee OKC defense with all players healthy will be much better than it is now. OKC fans realize this too, because they haven't been trained to scapegoat. Yes, Kanter sucks at defense half the time, but lots of really good teams have hidden players like that.

 

[MT Steve]

You don't have to worry about it anymore, as he'll never be on our team again.

Also, as said before, I don't think it was just Locke. But he sprang to my mind. Your large market argument doesn't hold a lot of water to me. Around the league, Salt Lake is known as having the most opinionated/engaged fanbase. While the scrutiny is high on a national stage in markets like NY and LA, I think it is safe to say that the ferocity of judgement is just as severe, if not moreso, here.

Also, I'm not excusing Kanter. What he did was immature, wreckless, and will cost him fans and potentially dollars. It cost his team a win.

I just think there is some of the pregame that was taken out of context, and some of it could've been said to protect himself from the boos he thought he'd hear. Those who study psych know this behavior all too well. Some people who fear impending confrontation will sometimes create a confrontation. Also, he's immature, has a language barrier, and watches too much wrestling. But he's lying when he said the boos didn't bother him. He wants to be loved, and fearing he wouldn't get it, he created the opposite.

My theory.

****ing shame too. Some would have booed him, but most would've been fine with the trade request I feel. It was addition by subtraction with Rudy and Derrick.

Those are good points. I can get behind most of this except for the comment about the large market argument. Try living in Philadelphia for a few years. The fans there will not hesitate to mercilessly turn on a player not performing well, and the media is the exact same way. Granted, they'll also love players that perform well, but it's a fragile relationship.

Contrastly, the Jazz media by and large coddles the Utah players. Kanter would've been absolutely shredded in the media for his defense well before he demanded a trade if he was in Philly. In Utah, it got talked about here and there by the media, but before he left I don't remember it ever being anything other than mild at best.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There are soo many different variables. Have you seriously never considered the improved play before the break, Dante starting over Trey for defense, Rudy playing more, etc? Thise are all HUGE factors. OKC has had a very similar record to us post all star break, and Enes has been the second option on that team. Sure, their defense hasn't been great, but they've also lost three of their better defensive players (Ibaka, Roberson and Durant) and were without another until recently (Adams). I gaurantee OKC defense with all players healthy will be much better than it is now. OKC fans realize this too, because they haven't been trained to scapegoat. Yes, Kanter sucks at defense half the time, but lots of really good teams have hidden players like that.

There are so many variables and the Jazz were usually worse in most aspects when it had to do with Kanter. Now that he's gone, the team is completely different and reborn, and Kanter has made a complete *** of himself at the Jazz's AND the Thunder's expense. What else you got? Help me understand how him being an out and out cancer is even a discussion.

 

[The Blue Elephant]

There are so many variables and the Jazz were usually worse in most aspects when it had to do with Kanter. Now that he's gone, the team is completely different and reborn, and Kanter has made a complete *** of himself at the Jazz's AND the Thunder's expense. What else you got? Help me understand how him being an out and out cancer is even a discussion.

Very disappointing response. I was hoping you would give examples and facts but instead said "jazz are worse with Kanter, team is completely different blah blah." You literally didn't respond to a single thing he said. The fact that the Thunder are winning without Ibaka and Durant. The fact that the Jazz were improving even before the trade. The fact that Kanter played very well and was perfectly complimented by Ibaka. Literally nothing...

 

[NUMBERICA]

Very disappointing response. I was hoping you would give examples and facts but instead said "jazz are worse with Kanter, team is completely different blah blah." You literally didn't respond to a single thing he said. The fact that the Thunder are winning without Ibaka and Durant. The fact that the Jazz were improving even before the trade. The fact that Kanter played very well and was perfectly complimented by Ibaka. Literally nothing...

Don't pretend like you're interested in a real discussion. But to play along, it's perfectly reasonable to assert that the team's growth in that .500 stretch was tempered by the existence of a blackhole, as evidenced by their much-improved stretch when he was traded. Macro > micro.