I agree. This should be treated like a mosquito in the ear type distraction. Focus on the important stuff.
David Locke toasts Kanter on 1280
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I agree. This should be treated like a mosquito in the ear type distraction. Focus on the important stuff.
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I was thinking of year 2 when he played so well in Summer League and then the first half of the season he was continually getting DNPs or very little minutes.
Jazz management toyed with Kanter somehow...they claim they did all their best to make him happy but I didn't notice much support to his game when he was on the court....he never had a clear role on the team, they didn't exploit his offensive talent, they allowed Corbin to scapegoat him publicly....your teammates and fans don't respect you when your coach scapegoat you like that....where was the management support and defense?
Objectively Kanter has few reasons to be happy during his Jazz time, he was part of a rebuilding and tanking team for almost three seasons, he spent two seasons sleeping on the bench despite showing promising games, he didn't contribuite to win games and so on....he must blame himself first of all but the management isn't without guilts.
Locke speaks about trust and said the Jazz didn't trust in Enes attitude to pay him....the point is the Jazz didn't trust in Enes game first of all.
His frustration is understandable but there was no need to express it publicly like he did....he just gave extra reasons to his haters and he has been disrespectful with fans like me that supported him heavily.
Probably he has still bad blood against the Jazz management for the way they treated him during the first three seasons but he could keep it for himself....in spite of everything the Jazz indulged his wish to be traded despite getting almost nothing in return.
Objectively Kanter has few reasons to be happy during his Jazz time, he was part of a rebuilding and tanking team for almost three seasons, he spent two seasons sleeping on the bench despite showing promising games, he didn't contribuite to win games and so on....he must blame himself first of all but the management isn't without guilts.
Locke speaks about trust and said the Jazz didn't trust in Enes attitude to pay him....the point is the Jazz didn't trust in Enes game first of all.
His frustration is understandable but there was no need to express it publicly like he did....he just gave extra reasons to his haters and he has been disrespectful with fans like me that supported him heavily.
Probably he has still bad blood against the Jazz management for the way they treated him during the first three seasons but he could keep it for himself....in spite of everything the Jazz indulged his wish to be traded despite getting almost nothing in return.
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Burks was losing his playing time to raja, josh howard, cj.miles, randy foye, and richard jefferson.
Kanter was losing playing time to milsap, big al, favors, and marvin. (Enes actual was handed the starting role ahead of marvin as well)
I think millsap is better than foye
Big al is better than richard jefferson
Favors is better than cj miles
And marvin is better than bell or howard.
Burks got screwed harder imo
If his team mates didn't respect him it had more to do with kanter than anyone else. Probably his horrid D.
Some of his frustration is understandable but so what? Jazz tried to mold Kanter into what was best for them based on the team he was part of. If they didn't trust him but trusted all his team mates then that should tell you something. That something is that Kanter is about Kanter and not the team.
Good riddance and I look forward to all future games against him!
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Looks like a genius move on Ty's part now doesn't it?
b_line
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No, I just read a couple posts of yours, and they were at the same time as some from TBE. I thought you were agreeing with him. I think you are nuts about Kanter, but otherwise you are alright.
TBE is annoying as heck though.
Sexual Favors
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Yes I did, and yes it was. I just felt like replying to a post in your style. It was fun.
Sexual Favors
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Your memory fails you. Marvin was injured, as was Trey, and Jeremy, and we had yet to pick up Diante, so we had Tinsley and JLIII at the point. Everyone got healthy around the same time, and instead of Corbin chalking up the rough start to a depleted roster and a young team, Enes loses his starting gig and is scapegoated for the poor start. Enes didn't start over Marvin. In preseason, Enes had Marvin starting over him. I remember, because I threw a fit.
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Not really.
We're lucky we've done as much damage control as we have done. Very lucky to have kept Hayward who was ready to split. Very lucky to have kept Alec, and we should also count our blessings that Favors has the personality that he does.
Hayward was a matter of force. He had no choice.
Favors was shell shocked by his first trade. Good for us. He was also one of the better treated.
Alec was saved by the hiring of Quin.
Enes didn't have the third season Alec had, nor did he have as much to gain from the Quin signing, plus the addition of Trevor Booker, Steve Novak AND every Dleague Power Forward, in his contract year didn't help, especially when Gobert was emerging.
Corbin screwed us, but we allowed him to. Even if we hated Enes and were certain he didn't fit with us, we could have received more in return for him had the timing and relationship been different.
framer
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Unpossible. I have it on good authority that Trey Burke sucks worse than any point guard we have EVER had. Enes should have been better without him. . .
Sexual Favors
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you've been studying that Sarah Palin dictionary, eh?
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Even so.
Burks never started and played behind worse players than enes in his first three years and probably played less total minutes (even though he played behind crappier players....... I could be wrong about who played less minutes but I feel like it was Burks due to all the dnp's his first two years) than kanter.
I still say playing behind howard, bell, cj, richard jefferson, and to a lesser extent randy foye (a decent player at least) rather than sap, al, favs, and marv means burks got screwed by corbin worse.
Don't really matter though. Burks got screwed over his first 3 years.... never bitched..... seems to have a good relationship with his teammates..... likes the city and fans..... gave it his best effort during games...... and accepted a good reasonable contract extension.
Kanter got screwed over his first 3 years.... apparently bitched about stuff..... teammates seem to have not liked him.... didn't like the city, organisation, or fans.... didn't try his hardest during games.... and thought he was a max money dude.
Oh, and asked for a trade.
**** him
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A younger Randy Foye would look SOOOO good on this team right now. . .
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Ya, I could not really hate to on foye starting even though I still think burks was the better player at the time.
Foye was pretty good
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You are right, Burks did play behind worse players. That was messed up for sure. But, Alec played more minutes than Enes. Alec played 4269 his first three seasons, and Enes played 4150. Only a difference of 119, but still..
Burks did too bitch. There is also nothing wrong with a player saying they should play more. That's what you want. You don't want a player who is fine with DNP's and sporadic minutes. You especially don't want that from your lottery picks, or else they end up like Marvin Williams: #2 overall selected who was always content with being a rotation player despite his talent.
Difference is, Burks was relied upon and given a clear role in his third year. He didn't start, but he was given the keys to the second unit. He signed his contract extension because it is what he and his agent felt comfortable with, not to give us a break. I guarantee that.
Yeah, Kanter bitched, and took it too far. He said he talked with Alec Burks during halftime of the OKC game, and that they exchanged texts. I think he is also friendly with Favors. If you listen to Rudy's recent interview on the Big Show, he doesn't seem too upset with Enes either. Fans turned on Enes, as did the media post trade. A lot had done it sooner because they wanted Rudy to start, or they bought into the scapegoating last year. If you're 22, I'm sure that hurts. He's a ****ing punk, for sure.
Why do you fault him for thinking he's a max money dude? I want all of our lottery picks to feel that way until they're proven wrong. Their rookie contract is the time to prove that, and as you have already agreed, he was toyed with during this time frame and had proven players in front of him limiting his minutes. Maybe we thought he wasn't ready, maybe hwe thought he didn't fit right, and maybe we were trying to get a bargain. Whatever it was, it was a situation that tried to contain him.
If you listen to his "I know I didn't bring it every night," it could also be interpreted as "I know I wasn't consistent... but I was developing with a lot of potential so they still should have played me." He is Turkish, dude. English is his second language. His syntax is almost never right, so what makes you think he chose the right words with that sentence? It'd be a pretty stupid thing to say, don't you think?
As for the organization, he didn't say we were bad. He never said we are a bad organization. He said he was frustrated here. He said he still respects his coaches and teammates, etc. He said he his happier in OKC and it is like a dream he doesn't want to wake up from. It was OUR media who insinuated Utah was like a nightmare, to which he emphatically said no "No! I didn't say that." Then our media asked him what has impressed him about OKC and he started talking about their professionalism, his new teammates, and how awesome Westbrook is. He did say he never had a point guard before, which is harsh, but everyone here knows it is true. He also said the only thing he misses is the mountains. Childish for sure.
After the game he said OKC shouldn't be dropping games to teams not in the playoff race, which is a true statement. They are fighting for their playoff lives right now. People got way too butthurt over that comment.
Yes he did. He saw the writing on the wall. It was being written in bold letters. Grantland and Pelton were travelling with the team and writing pieces on why Gobert should start. The NY game. The Dallas game. etc. We created a mess by signing Book (who is another player who bitched to management about his minutes), etc. and not accounting for Gobert's emergence.
Only in Bizarro world is it the team's job to support the player on the court. In the real world, it's the player's job to support the team on the court. Seriously... the team's job is to WIN GAMES. Or possibly, taking a longer view, to prepare to win games in the future. Not to help a player further his goals.
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So we should only have three bigs on the roster? And when one goes down, we throw a wing over at the 4?
I agree Utah didn't see Gobert emerging quite as fast as he did. Not sure you "account" for something like that, though. You assemble the best roster you can and let players compete for their roles. Ultimately, some will develop faster than others and some may not develop at all. It's ALWAYS a GREAT problem to have when you have a pretty good player on the team beaten out by an even better one (think Stockton over Green, or the Jazz letting Dantley go so Malone could be the alpha male). Or even replacing Jeff Malone with Hornacek.
I like Burks, Booker, Hood and Exum. But if Lindsey can push those players down in the rotation because he gets someone even better, I'm all for it. And that was the case with Kanter. Enes DID have a DEFINED role in his 3rd and 4th seasons. He was a starter. But he failed to keep that role last year due to his terrible defense. Even at that, his minutes didn't decrease. And the Jazz gave him another shot to start this year. Again, his defense was only marginally better.
Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Exum, Booker and Hood are all happy and flourishing. Team is growing and thriving right before our eyes.
Could things have been done differently? Sure but what was done worked. It worked. Look at the team.
Good job DL and Snyder.
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Could things have been done differently? Sure but what was done worked. It worked. Look at the team.
Good job DL and Snyder.
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