David Locke toasts Kanter on 1280

[nightmare3983]

Yes he did. He saw the writing on the wall. It was being written in bold letters. Grantland and Pelton were travelling with the team and writing pieces on why Gobert should start. The NY game. The Dallas game. etc. We created a mess by signing Book (who is another player who bitched to management about his minutes), etc. and not accounting for Gobert's emergence.

Source?

 

[green]

So we should only have three bigs on the roster? And when one goes down, we throw a wing over at the 4?
I agree Utah didn't see Gobert emerging quite as fast as he did. Not sure you "account" for something like that, though. You assemble the best roster you can and let players compete for their roles. Ultimately, some will develop faster than others and some may not develop at all. It's ALWAYS a GREAT problem to have when you have a pretty good player on the team beaten out by an even better one (think Stockton over Green, or the Jazz letting Dantley go so Malone could be the alpha male). Or even replacing Jeff Malone with Hornacek.

I like Burks, Booker, Hood and Exum. But if Lindsey can push those players down in the rotation because he gets someone even better, I'm all for it. And that was the case with Kanter. Enes DID have a DEFINED role in his 3rd and 4th seasons. He was a starter. But he failed to keep that role last year due to his terrible defense. Even at that, his minutes didn't decrease. And the Jazz gave him another shot to start this year. Again, his defense was only marginally better.

I agree. Signing Booker was good for Kanter. We signed a guy that is a role player, and could be cut at any second. The front office basically told Kanter, out play this scrub. That's all we want you to do. And he couldn't do it. Granted Booker was underrated coming in, but he is someone that a max player, as Kanter thinks he is, should be able to easily out play.

 

[freakazoid]

Very lucky to have kept Hayward who was ready to split.
Hayward was a matter of force. He had no choice.

I'm sure he was really disappointed not to play for the hornets. Hayward was just going through the motions of getting the best contract possible. It was purely business FFS, not Hayward trying to leave. Stop reaching.

 

[NAOS]

this thread proves that Sexual Favors has taken the title of JAZZFANZ'S DUMBEST POSTER away from hotttnickkk.

looks like this comment ready for a bump. ****ing hell.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm sure he was really disappointed not to play for the hornets. Hayward was just going through the motions of getting the best contract possible. It was purely business FFS, not Hayward trying to leave. Stop reaching.

He plays like a guy that is forced to be here. (sarcastic font)

 

[MT Steve]

looks like this comment ready for a bump. ****ing hell.

lol, why is he dumb? Because he presents a contrarian viewpoint?

His opinions are well-reasoned, and as far as I've seen he presented his arguments very civilly. I've only seen him react hostilely when others insult him first. I might not agree with some of his viewpoints, but at the same time talking to him has helped widen my perspective and I think such discussions in general are very healthy.

 

[fishonjazz]

lol, why is he dumb? Because he presents a contrarian viewpoint?

His opinions are well-reasoned, and as far as I've seen he presented his arguments very civilly. I've only seen him react hostilely when others insult him first. I might not agree with some of his viewpoints, but at the same time talking to him has helped widen my perspective and I think such discussions in general are very healthy.

Ya, I agree with ya

 

[NAOS]

Just because someone can execute a reasoned argument (whether it be civilly, angrily, happily, pharmaceutically... is beside the point) doesn't mean they aren't dumb. People talk/reason themselves into stupid things all the time.

All signs point to the fact that SF was 90+% wrong about Kanter. And instead of owning up to anything he's been spinning out 'conspiracy-theory-level' detritus and trying to get other posters to own up to things they never said. Yeah, sounds valuable to perspective.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Just because someone can execute a reasoned argument (whether it be civilly, angrily, happily, pharmaceutically... is beside the point) doesn't mean they aren't dumb. People talk/reason themselves into stupid things all the time.

All signs point to the fact that SF was 90+% wrong about Kanter. And instead of owning up to anything he's been spinning out 'conspiracy-theory-level' detritus and trying to get other posters to own up to things they never said. Yeah, sounds valuable to perspective.

Exactly what was I wrong about in your mind that I haven't admitted?

I've already conceded that he was stupid, childish, immature, and likely cost himself a lot of money.

I've already said his defense is really, really bad at times.

I've already conceded that maybe we couldn't have made the fit work here, which is a 180 from just a few weeks ago.

Was I wrong about his offensive potential? I don't think so.

Was I wrong about his ability to help a team? So far I don't believe so. They're winning more with him than without him, with a very depleted roster, mind you.

Have I been wrong about him being one of the league's very best offensive rebounders? No, he has been proving that claim accurate ever since the trade.

Was I wrong about Enes being able to run the floor and not being the one who slowed our offens down? No, OKC is still going strong.

Was I wrong that him being a big man who shoots nearly 80% from the foul line is a luxury? No, cause when other teams play bruise a kiwi on Adams, they just sub him out and the other team knows they can't do that to Enes.

If I'm wrong, I'll concede, like I've already done with certain things. Honestly, I'm happy with the Jazz and where we're at. I just have a need to respond when I feel posters disproportionately blame anyone.