Dennis Lindsey called out Dante on 1280thezone

[Douchebag K]

Bogut would go full Zaza on GS. Knock that mouth guard right out of Currys mouth (along with some teeth)!

I don't think anyone at GS would want to drive the ball into Bogut.

i have doubts as to whether Bogut is all that motivated anymore

 

[Douchebag K]

I kinda agree with this. When they drafted him so raw and hearing some of the early commentary on Dante from DL and Quin my impression was that there goal was to develop him and have him taking over the team 4-5 years down the line.

Again, I believe DL and Coach Q are playing the long game with Dante.

it was kind of a weird thing to hear, cause they sure weren't exercising any urgency to develop him during the season.

 

[SCS]

The Jazz wanted Exum to take control of the 2nd string PG position

Highly unlikely. Because if they did he would have actually received consistent minutes at backup PG at some point during the season and he never did. The only stretch of consistent minutes on the floor that he received all year was as the starter when Hill was out around the All Star break. And he played well. Then when Hill came back Dante went back to getting inconsistent minutes in an inconsistent role.

 

[SCS]

I don't think this is a work ethic thing. Or a mental thing. I think what's going on is that DL and Quin are constantly challenging Dante to improve. They have a tighter leash on him than other youngsters. You played well while Hill was out? Not good enough. Do better. Back to the bench. You missed this assignment, check out. I think they are pushing him hard to earn everything because they see his potential. Hopefully they're pushing the right buttons and it doesn't backfire.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why would you want to afford a Bogut? Does he get you closer to beating Golden State?

I like making the team better, and yes.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Highly unlikely. Because if they did he would have actually received consistent minutes at backup PG at some point during the season and he never did. The only stretch of consistent minutes on the floor that he received all year was as the starter when Hill was out around the All Star break. And he played well. Then when Hill came back Dante went back to getting inconsistent minutes in an inconsistent role.

Maybe in Quins eyes Dante wasn't ready for the backup spot. He did look too shaky at times, like he couldn't handle that role. We were also playing for playoff contention. Snyder seemingly did pull a Jerry Sloan/Corbin by not letting Ex go and play. Feel he couldn't of done any worse than Mack though, but hey, I'm just a fan and a spectator. Maybe Snyder had some logical reason to limiting Exums minutes this year.

 

[jjscap]

Exum has those tools/attributes to become a good if not a great player. However some disappointing players do too. The difference is consistency and confidence.. He should be bringing it every night. Can he? At this point I doubt that, I mean after three years he still looks like an unpredictable puppy on the court. He's so quick and crafty and keeps showing flashes now and then that we can't write him off yet. Then there is the salary cap, every team needs players on rookie contracts that can contribute. So he has to make the best of this offseason. Dante should look at Hayward and Gobert, who benefited massively from their offseason workouts, and follow their examples.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

- "competitive clarity"... that's how he described Rudy. He mentioned Rudy talking several years ago about how he's going to win championship with the Jazz, etc and how many of the things he said and seemed unbelievable, he's already achieved. He said Rudy is our ace in recruitment.

And this is why you DO NOT trade Rudy Gobert and "burn it to the ground" folks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think this is a work ethic thing. Or a mental thing. I think what's going on is that DL and Quin are constantly challenging Dante to improve. They have a tighter leash on him than other youngsters. You played well while Hill was out? Not good enough. Do better. Back to the bench. You missed this assignment, check out. I think they are pushing him hard to earn everything because they see his potential. Hopefully they're pushing the right buttons and it doesn't backfire.

You just described mental things....

Sent from my A0001 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[utahjazzz]

Bogut would go full Zaza on GS. Knock that mouth guard right out of Currys mouth (along with some teeth)!

I don't think anyone at GS would want to drive the ball into Bogut.

If I were Exum, I would really pi**ed about how the Jazz treated him for the last 3 years.
The Jazz has made sure that Dante developed very slowly by restricting his minutes on court and gave him the shortest leash possible (in comparison to other players). THe reason for doing this so that they can resign Dante A lot cheaper when his contract is expired.

If I were Dante, i would just stuff the jazz and it's stupid fans and go to another team where you would be appreciated. Dante Either ask for a trade or go to another team when the contracted is expired.

 

[silesian]

I do not see that as throwing anyone under the bus.

He certainly implied that Dante lacked urgency

 

[Rubashov]

In other Ingles related news (dunno if anyone has posted it) his wife has retired from netball, yesterday i believe.

 

[Ellipse]

It's not about stalling his development. It's about not bending over backwards to shoot yourself in the foot. I mean, if Dante's development were so urgent, they might as well let Hill walk and just roll with Dante as the starter. Don't bring in anybody else to play in front of him, but throw him to the wolves and see how he does. There are a lot of people who believe that's how it should be done, so that you have a better idea of whether you should keep him or not. In some cases, that may be best, but I don't believe so with a player like Dante, who came in raw and then missed a year.

And I think you're kidding yourself if you don't believe this happens frequently when teams are up against the wall financially, or are afraid of matching a contract that ends up being untradeable. Utah did this with CJ miles years ago and managed to sign him to a decent deal that didn't hurt them once he didn't pan out. They did this to a degree with Kanter as well, regardless of how much people think it was just the coach. And low and behold, as much complaining as people have made about how bad we got robbed in the Kanter trade, that contract is definitely one they dodged a bullet on.

I'm not saying Utah will go to extremes to hold Dante's value down, but there's zero doubt in my mind that DL's best case scenario is developing him slowly as the backup for one more year. Having to match a max offer on Dante would be a kick in the teeth for a team who is going to fighting to get under the tax or keep it as low as possible.

I mean, if Dante's development was so urgent, playing Neto in front of him at the end of the season was just plain nutty.

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. Hill's contract status, combined with Exum's slow development has left a huge question mark at point guard.

DL cannot gamble the team's success next season on Exum's summer work ethic; he must find someone capable of starting at point, regardless of Exum's development. If he can re-sign Hill, then all is well; if he cannot, then he must find another FA to plug the hole or make a trade. Furthermore, DL must decide whether to spend another draft pick (or two), trying to find our future point guard.

In other words, DL must make decisions today as if Exum wasn't even on the team. That is not a comfortable place for Exum to be, and I hope his agent is making this clear to him.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I can't disagree with you enough about this one. I don't think stalling Exum's development so he wouldn't command much money in FA comes into their minds at any point... like AT ALL. This to me sounds ridiculous. Those are precious years of development and once gone they don't come back. The Jazz want to develop Exum as much as possible right now. I bet they prefer moderate development to little development, and they prefer great development to moderate development. I don't think teams can afford to think in the terms you are outlining. Getting Dante for a discount on his next contract would be a nice bonus, but he has to become good enough player and lay the foundations for being a bargain in the future right now.

I agree with this. I've heard this kind of argument in the past for players, and I don't think it makes much sense other than in a general financial way. I'm sure the team would love Dante to break out next year and have to pay a max to keep him here.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I kinda agree with this. When they drafted him so raw and hearing some of the early commentary on Dante from DL and Quin my impression was that there goal was to develop him and have him taking over the team 4-5 years down the line.

Again, I believe DL and Coach Q are playing the long game with Dante.

I really think it is as simple as this: Dante would have been the starter last year, and the Jazz would have let him play through mistakes a bit more. They probably never sign Mack in that scenario. His injury messed up the projected timeline, and when he came back Quin had already had a half year where Mack played pretty well and earned his trust. The Team is in a "win as many games as possible to convince Hayward" mode, and Quin overreacted to some awkward looking play from Dante and went with the more dependable (in his mind) option to make sure the team kept winning.

I disagree with that move, and I don't think playing Mack more=more winning. But I think Quin thinks that.

 

[KqWIN]

I can't remember a player with more conspiracy theories surrounding him than Dante Exum. People have lost their minds.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I don't think this is a work ethic thing. Or a mental thing. I think what's going on is that DL and Quin are constantly challenging Dante to improve. They have a tighter leash on him than other youngsters. You played well while Hill was out? Not good enough. Do better. Back to the bench. You missed this assignment, check out. I think they are pushing him hard to earn everything because they see his potential. Hopefully they're pushing the right buttons and it doesn't backfire.

This.

 

[Jazz4ever]

In other Ingles related news (dunno if anyone has posted it) his wife has retired from netball, yesterday i believe.

Is she somewhere in here? What a silly game. I guess no one will be calling "bank".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKOXiqJkwA

 

[fishonjazz]

Is she somewhere in here? What a silly game. I guess no one will be calling "bank".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKOXiqJkwA

Wtf? You can just get the ball right by the hoop and then the defense has to just let you shoot a layup without defending the shot?

Dumb as **** from these highlights

 

[SCS]

You just described mental things....

Sent from my A0001 using JazzFanz mobile app

The context of how "mental things" was being used in this thread seemed to imply that Dante wasn't understanding or grasping the NBA game. I don't think that's necessarily true. I just think Quin and DL are pushing him harder than others.