Beantown
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Its because we have an actual shot at a young athletic PG. Newsflash: Jazz aren't getting CP3.
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Its because we have an actual shot at a young athletic PG. Newsflash: Jazz aren't getting CP3.
Chris paul says Bledsoe is better than half the starting point guards in the league and is truly gifted defensively. I will take his analysis.
Beantown
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Exactly.
I truly believe a core of Deron and Boozer with wings that defend and shoot threes and a C that actually could protect the basket at all, they could've maybe snuck in a finals appearance. Or - gasp - a championship. I believe that team with the right breaks could do it. I don't believe a team soaring above the luxury tax with poor floor-spreading and no interior D could even capitalize on catching some breaks.
Oh well.
Oh really.
Anyway, I thought the interview was good. No one with half a bit of common sense can expect him to say very much for a myriad of reasons, but I found it interesting how willing he was in saying that we were in the middle of a rebuild and that committing to the youth was something they were prepared to do. In comparison to what I've heard from KOC, he's a blabbermouth.
mellow
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Maybe you'll find out next season. Bulls trade Boozer to NJN for Humphries and filler. Jerry takes the Nets coaching job. CJ miles signs as a FA. Can Brook Lopez be considered a defensive center?
As to your point in post #46. I know he can't announce his intentions now, but I was impressed that he made a point to say something to the effect of : "if we decide to make a strategic move to play the youth for a growth season, we will announce it to the fans."
It's good to hear that he recognizes one of the common criticisms from last season that the team was directionless or the season pointless. Hopefully he does a better job of communicating expectations.
Not sure. I do know that he's considerably larger and more mobile than Memo and I haven't seen many players that play worse interior D than Memo. The big part would be learning how to contain two bigs that can PnR well AND post well (with all of the requisite skills to open up their own games and each others [good passing, good shooting]), so it might have to be a shoot out. Honestly, I would kind of love but mostly hate to see that. I was rather covetous of seeing what Brook Lopez and Deron could do under Sloan, and very curious how it would look if you could get Boozer in there as well.
The biggest thing the Nets would have to figure out is their floor-spacing and perimeter D. But if Joe Johnson could do a better job being IN an offense instead of ON TOP OF one, that could be a really scary offense.
That assumes a lot of things, though. A LOT. Starting with if Sloan still has it, and if Boozer and Deron would still have that magic chemistry.
b_line
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I think we were the shot blocking center away from that too. The ironic thing is that we would have won a title with the Mailman and Stock if we had a defensive anchor guy. Now we have one in Favors... but we don't have any stars.
I think the team with Deron, Boozer, Millsap, Korver and a good Center would have won the title. Okur would have been good too to make a stellar three big rotation.
You mean like a 7'4" shot blocker?
green
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We ABSOLUTELY are at the start of the rebuild process. Look at what we have on the roster right now:
Hayward - Solid NBA player. Definitely not a #1. Probably not a #2. A good #3.
Burks - Slightly less than solid NBA player. May be a starter. May not be a starter.
Favors - Potential to be a Chandler type player. Potential to be a starter. Hasn't shown he can stay out of foul trouble to play 35 mins a night. NO real offensive game.
Kanter - The highest potential out of all the four when work ethic taken into account. He may be the centerpiece of this team. He may be a bust. Doesn't control the paint like a true dominant big should.
That's it. Right now, our team looks like this:
PG - Need a starter, need a backup, need a young player to groom
SG - Hayward, Burks,
SF - Need a starter, Williams, need a good wing (if you resign Carroll, switch Marvin and Carroll)
PF - Kanter, need a backup, Evans
C - maybe Favors, Need a good backup/starter, need depth
Right now, this team will SUCK next year. We need 3 pg's (and if you want to do the rebuild right, you can't bring any of the old PG's back. You NEED Hayward or Kanter to step up and OWN this team. They can't do that with Al, Paul, or Mo on the team. Even Watson or Tinsley could interfere in a negative way).
We need a starting SF.
We need a starting C/good backup big.
and most importantly,
WE NEED A SUPERSTAR to compete. WE DON'T HAVE ONE.
So, the Jazz will go young (hopefully), and be TERRIBLE next year. Then HOPEFULLY they get a top 3 pick, and can come away with Wiggins or Jabari (even if it means giving up Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks to get one of them).
THEN the rebuild has begun. You can then look at this team:
Solid vet pg
Hayward
Jabari/Wiggins
Kanter
Favors (hopefully) or other C
Then you can turn the team over Wiggins/Jabari, suck another year, add another piece. So there is two years from now.
In the third year, you shoot for an 8th seed.
In the fourth year, you shoot for a top 4 seed.
In the fifth year, you shoot for a deep playoff run.
In the sixth year, hopefully you are competing for a title.
Folks, that means in 2019, hopefully we will be competing for a title. TWENTY-NINETEEN. And that's if everything goes well. If the Jazz get screwed in the lottery, or end up overachieving, then it could be even longer.
We are at the VERY beginning of this process. Which is why is sucks we wasted the last two years.
Yeah, if only we had drafted a guy like that.
We had Fesenko, but Sloan refused to play him, had to have that vaunted offense. Corbin made the same mistake by focusing on Big Al, despite BA being the worst defensive C in the league.
I thought that was interesting too. Even though we have very little to truly gauge Lindsey with so far, I like him. I have a good feeling.
To be fair, Fesenko has done even less elsewhere in the NBA. I think that's more telling than spot duty.
Brendan Haywood on the other hand (or dare I even mention if the Jazz would've drafted Ibaka)?
Stifle Tower
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We ARE at just the beginning of the rebuild. How many of our starters should be part of our future: 1/2 (if you count that Hayward started for part of the season). Of the 240 available mins/game, how many were taken up by guys who should be out the door (Jefferson = 33; Millsap = 30; Mo = 30; Foye =27; Marvin = 24; Tinsley/Watson = 18). So 162/240 = 68%. Jazz will/should be replacing 2/3rds of their total player minutes and 4 of 5 starters (if you count Gordon as a starter). Yeah, I'd say that qualifies as being at the very beginning of the process.
Stifle Tower
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Are you kidding me with the Fesenko love? Tell me, what has the guy done since he left the Jazz? Ummm...umm...Fes had a good rotations every once in a while. But he could never play in more than 8 min spurts without looking like he had just run a marathon. He was terribly out of shape. He matched up well against big, physical centers but was easily countered/neutralized by any who were the least bit athletic.
If this beginning of a rebuild yields us a bona fide superstar (which almost every team in the last 30 years has needed at least one of to win a championship and the Jazz might not even have an all-star right now [Kanter is my biggest hope]), then let us be grateful that the full-blown rebuild didn't begin earlier where the Jazz might have been rewarded with OMG Anthony Davis (while already having Favors) or whatever pieces of crap (relatively) gets drafted early this year.
Stifle Tower
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Ever heard of a guy named Mark Eaton? He played with the Jazz for 12 seasons. Was the NBA defensive player of the year twice, led the league in blocks 4 times, with a career average of 3.5 blocks/per, was on the NBA All-Defensive 1st Team 3 times and on the 2nd Team 2 times. I seriously doubt Favors will ever rise to that level of defensive dominance. That said, Eaton was a HUGE liability (pun intended) on the offensive side. Jazz would park him in the high post and just have him stay out of the way. You can have a great defensive player, but if he isn't any good on the other end, you likely won't win a championship. Jazz had two superstars and they couldn't overcome Eaton, Well, him and the lack of a reliable SG (pre-Hornacek).
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