Dennis Lindsey's Biggest Error

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but I'm saying if they tanked earlier, the fruits could have been Anthony Davis/Kyrie Irving.

They should have shipped everyone who could help win games that wasnt young out when D-Will was traded. That's Millsap/AK/Reroute Devin Harris/Jefferson/Miles/Bell.

I know that's hindsight, but pretty much everyone knew a team based around Jefferson was a dead end and they were bringing in vets like Josh Howard for soem reason.

I feel like that was a KOC decision doe... he seemed to like the re-tool idea. Not sure if DL had full reign then. Hanging out in the territory of NBA treadmill mediocrity with that team was not a great idea.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I feel like that was a KOC decision doe... he seemed to like the re-tool idea. Not sure if DL had full reign then. Hanging out in the territory of NBA treadmill mediocrity with that team was not a great idea.

It was dumber than ****, straight up.

Furthermore, giving Corbin an extension before he proved a damn thing was either lazy as **** or insane as ****.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would say that's probably the biggest Jazz franchise error that isnt comletely hindsight (like you should have drafted "x player" because he's a superstar). The Jazz should have truly tanked and done it earlier. The Corbin years were a complete waste due to management of the roster.

And we stuck with it too long because we felt it deserved a chance to work... had to see it through for some reason. It is not completely dissimilar to what we are doing now with the Ricky/Favs/Rudy starting lineup... this group has more potential because of DM and Rudy... but that patient mindset that hurt us during the Corbin years is impeding some progress now imo.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It was dumber than ****, straight up.

Furthermore, giving Corbin an extension before he proved a damn thing was either lazy as **** or insane as ****.

Corbin is blameless. He did OK with what he had, which was not much.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Corbin is blameless. He did OK with what he had, which was not much.

Did I blame Corbin in that post? All I'm saying is he didn't do anything to merit his immediate extension. Per every story I've heard, the reason he got the job in the first place was simply because he was around.

 

[David Stern]

Joe Ingles was a free agent and you give him a F?

Good lord.

I consider them picking up guys like Ingles, O'Neale, etc. part of the draft/scouting process... our biggest actual free agent pickup with DL as GM is Thabo. I'd say that's pretty damn bad.

 

[mellow]

On February 28 2014 the jazz lost to the tanking Cavilers by 20 points. Trey Burke had an efg of 22%. His back ups were Diantee Garrett and John Lucas III.

But just one day earlier Lindsey made his biggest mistake when he didn't claim Jimmer Freddette off waivers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I consider them picking up guys like Ingles, O'Neale, etc. part of the draft/scouting process... our biggest actual free agent pickup with DL as GM is Thabo. I'd say that's pretty damn bad.

JJ was important for a year. Ingles was a free agent find.... can’t classify him as a draft guy. Booker was a solid addition... the Jonas, Thabo, Ekpe fallback after Hayward bailed was decent work given constraints. He hasn’t had the long term addition success outside of Joe.

I would classify it more as misuse of cap assets. He kept the powder dry and then wouldn’t pull the trigger on anything. Was going to keep the flexibility to use in an extension for Hill then that feel through.

To his credit he didn’t make the Ian Mahinmi mistake... I’ll give him a C in free agency because he’s avoided catastrophe and given us solid role players from time to time.

Look I think he’s a top 5-10 GM and a great fit for us... he’s had some blind spots and defecincies but overall I think he’s got vision and direction. I think waiting for free agency of good deals come along is a mistake... I don’t know what will come up. If he can get a guy like OP jr. or Tim Hardaway or Gallo now and keep open a good amount of cap space for the summer I think he should do it. Banking on landing a FA whale could really backfire.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

On February 28 2014 the jazz lost to the tanking Cavilers by 20 points. Trey Burke had an efg of 22%. His back ups were Diantee Garrett and John Lucas III.

But just one day earlier Lindsey made his biggest mistake when he didn't claim Jimmer Freddette off waivers.

Finally someone has a rational thought in this thread.

 

[b_line]

****ing bull ****.

Millsap hate around here sure has some die hards. Does it ever cross any of your undersized(tm) minds that he has arguably been the Jazz's best pick since 2006? Of course it hasn't.

Man I wanted the jazz to keep Millsap so bad. He has been my favorite post finals jazz player, him and AK

I'd rank the picks following:

1. Gobert
2. Mitchell
3. Hayward
4. Millsap

He was so good for the team. Really miss the guy.

 

[Jazz4ever]

For starters, your point is some flailing non-sense about how Favors and Millsap are an apples vs. oranges conversation. Millsap is better. He is, he almost always has been. He's always been much more skilled than Favors.

How does is shooting an eFG% of 50% on 3s equal to or worse than what Favors provides - jack ****ing squat?

What stat would you like to use to prove Paul Millsap is significantly better than Derrick Favors?

Lifetime stats:

PER (Millsap/Favors)
19.1/18.7

TS% (Millsap/Favors)
0.558/0.553

Rebounds per36
9.1/9.9

 

[b_line]

For starters, your point is some flailing non-sense about how Favors and Millsap are an apples vs. oranges conversation. Millsap is better. He is, he almost always has been. He's always been much more skilled than Favors.

How does is shooting an eFG% of 50% on 3s equal to or worse than what Favors provides - jack ****ing squat?

It sucks because the NBA has changed to the point where favors and Millsap would have been a decent front court together. That's saying nothing of Gobert too.

 

[b_line]

Yeah, but I'm saying if they tanked earlier, the fruits could have been Anthony Davis/Kyrie Irving.

They should have shipped everyone who could help win games that wasnt young out when D-Will was traded. That's Millsap/AK/Reroute Devin Harris/Jefferson/Miles/Bell.

I know that's hindsight, but pretty much everyone knew a team based around Jefferson was a dead end and they were bringing in vets like Josh Howard for soem reason.

Should have fired Corbin earlier too. But that's not on Dennis anyhow. Man the jazz just tanked at the complete wrong time. Thank God for Rudy and Donovan.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I consider them picking up guys like Ingles, O'Neale, etc. part of the draft/scouting process... our biggest actual free agent pickup with DL as GM is Thabo. I'd say that's pretty damn bad.

That's some BS though. Ingles was a free agent, Royce was a free agent. You can't reclassify these things to the draft.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Did I blame Corbin in that post? All I'm saying is he didn't do anything to merit his immediate extension. Per every story I've heard, the reason he got the job in the first place was simply because he was around.

I was more just stating it for everyone because he gets dumped on too much imo

 

[Kyoto]

Corbin is blameless. He did OK with what he had, which was not much.

Wait, you're telling me that Corbin wasnt a bad coach, he just had bad players? Yup, you are a moron

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[LoPo]

What stat would you like to use to prove Paul Millsap is significantly better than Derrick Favors?

Lifetime stats:

PER (Millsap/Favors)
19.1/18.7

TS% (Millsap/Favors)
0.558/0.553

Rebounds per36
9.1/9.9

This is actual proof that stats could be used to prove any argument.

Here is one - every single GM in the NBA would take Paul Millsap over Derrick Favors both now AND if they had the choice to go back to 2013. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

 

[LoPo]

We should have traded AK when Boozer took his PF spot because he wasn't the same player at SF that he was at PF. Plus, his contract suffocated our potential in those years.
We should have traded Al Jefferson sooner.
We should have traded Favors once we realized Gobert is a beast. Favors had a bunch of trade value in those days.
We should have matched on Wes Matthews.
We should have kept Millsap and traded Kanter or Favors in 2013.
We should have traded Hayward a year before he left.

I don't like to live in the past, but I was a fan of every single one of those moves above. I was calling for every single one.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tony Bradley has played 29 nba minutes... only Justin Patton (perpetually injured) and Tyler Lydon have played less minutes of first round picks from last year's draft.

There is some benefit to having a guy that can come in and at least fail fast... so even if we had picked a guy that sucked buy had a better chance to play there is value in figuring that out.

I would love to know what DL thought Bradley was going to become. Not a huge failure given where he was drafted and its still early... who knows. I think that is the most puzzling pick/move he's made that I questioned at the time. Even Bolden I would have understood, because people thought he could shoot the three and he could have been stashed for a year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We should have traded AK when Boozer took his PF spot because he wasn't the same player at SF that he was at PF. Plus, his contract suffocated our potential in those years.
We should have traded Al Jefferson sooner.
We should have traded Favors once we realized Gobert is a beast. Favors had a bunch of trade value in those days.
We should have matched on Wes Matthews.
We should have kept Millsap and traded Kanter or Favors in 2013.
We should have traded Hayward a year before he left.

I don't like to live in the past, but I was a fan of every single one of those moves above. I was calling for every single one.

Ummmm most of those are under KOC, so they shouldn't go on DL's record.