BluesRocker
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I agree. He is trolling. I know a troll when I see one.
Derrick Favors by the numbers
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That's funny right there.
To the point though, I'm not trolling. Also, I don't look at stats (unless I'm writing up something about Chucker J. Smiles -- can you blame me?) so I have no idea what his numbers are. Frankly, I don't care either. He's better than Millsap and Jefferson? And people think I'm trolling...
I just don't see it, guys. He has piss poor handle on the ball. He has ZERO post moves. He has no mid-range game. He is a head case. Granted, he can rebound and occasionally has a break-out game, but give me a break, he is not a starter on many teams, and certainly not the Jazz. Like I said, I don't look at stats, I watch the games. He will always be "good", but will never sniff an all-star game.
BluesRocker
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That's pretty bold right there.
Won't sniff an Allstar game?
I totally get what you are saying but I have just chalked it up to being young. He might just need some extra time to develop some consistency. You can't deny that you have gotten peeks at what he can be. And you can't deny that he has elite size+athleticism potential either. He also looks to have a nice shooting stroke. I think he just needs to get older and smarter, plain and simple. He will be fine.
spycam1
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KOC disagrees with you.
How can you say that about a 20 year old big man with elite athleticism? Think of Bynum. He's at the end of his SECOND contract and JUST starting to play well. It's going to take Favors a year or two, even from now, but he will be a very nice player for us. He shows flashes as a dominant defender and rebounder.
Brown Notes
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Favors has a spin move and a dribble drive coming off the low post. His J is not good. Even without any move whatsoever he can beat guys just with length and quickness. He has shown flashes of being a spectacular PnR finisher.
As far as his handle I don't know who Trout wants at the 4-5 but those guys generally don't develop guard skills before they are old enough to drink. Head case, LOL!
DFave is still pretty raw but to say he has zero moves is baseless. He's a ton better than he was this time last year. Last year he was getting called for travels constantly when he'd try a move. Now he's getting to the rim with regularity.
As far as his handle I don't know who Trout wants at the 4-5 but those guys generally don't develop guard skills before they are old enough to drink. Head case, LOL!
DFave is still pretty raw but to say he has zero moves is baseless. He's a ton better than he was this time last year. Last year he was getting called for travels constantly when he'd try a move. Now he's getting to the rim with regularity.
theNBAnerd
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favors' problem recently hasn't been a lack of post moves, trout. it's been that he explodes to the hoop and then blows the layup. but that's an easy fix. the guy has an amare-type ability to explode to the rack, he just has to get better at finishing.
the other problem is minutes. until recently, with the 3-big lineup, the guy was basically capped at 20 minutes. because no matter how well he was playing, corbin always pulled him to go back to big al.... pretty much always. there have been so many nights when favors was the better player and still wound up watching the late fourth quarter from the bench. look at his march numbers: even though it was his best month of the season, he exceeded 23 minutes only THREE times, and two of those were because al was injured.
in the loss at phoenix, for example, he has 9 points and 8 boards in 15 minutes and the suns had absolutely nobody that could guard him. was he rewarded with more minutes? no, he played just 15 minutes and the jazz lost by two. ridonk.
per-36 numbers in march: 16.4 points, 12.8 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 1.4 steals. he's just not getting the minutes, no matter how well he plays.
the other problem is minutes. until recently, with the 3-big lineup, the guy was basically capped at 20 minutes. because no matter how well he was playing, corbin always pulled him to go back to big al.... pretty much always. there have been so many nights when favors was the better player and still wound up watching the late fourth quarter from the bench. look at his march numbers: even though it was his best month of the season, he exceeded 23 minutes only THREE times, and two of those were because al was injured.
in the loss at phoenix, for example, he has 9 points and 8 boards in 15 minutes and the suns had absolutely nobody that could guard him. was he rewarded with more minutes? no, he played just 15 minutes and the jazz lost by two. ridonk.
per-36 numbers in march: 16.4 points, 12.8 rebounds, 1.4 blocks, 1.4 steals. he's just not getting the minutes, no matter how well he plays.
He has the third highest PER on the team:
https://www.basketball-reference.co...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per
https://www.basketball-reference.co...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per
GVC
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Not sure that it's an easy fix, but you hit the nail squarely on the head. Even though he looks half asleep all the time, I'm frequently amazed at how quickly he's able to get up and down the court and to the rim. Unfortunately, his feet and hands need some serious work. If he finds a semi-soft touch, he'll be deadly. If he doesn't, you still have a player who can give 12, 10 and 2 with solid man, transition and team defense. What team doesn't need a guy like that?
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BluesRocker again.
I agree with Trout. That is funny stuff.
gregbroncs
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It amazes me how often the announcers comment on how good the defense is playing and that Favors is always on the floor at the time.
On the other hand when the announcers comment on how easy the other team is getting open shots at the rim Favors is almost always on the bench.
On the other hand when the announcers comment on how easy the other team is getting open shots at the rim Favors is almost always on the bench.
I agree. And can you imagine how much Sloan would gush over his defense? A big man covering the P&R like he does. I wonder if Sloan were still coach if he would trade AJ's offense for Favors defense and bring Al off the bench.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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The way we play offense doesn't match Favors skills. If we had Deron at the point he would look a lot better on offense. I think his jumper is a work in progress. Sometimes it looks good sometimes it doesn't. Favors is a slasher not a post up big. Marshall would help here.
Favors is good. So is Kanter. Let's remember that with both of these guys, they were thought to be projects. They're developing post-games on the fly - particularly Favors - and we're seeing real progress. Considering both of their trajectories, they seem to be about on-track.
For both of these guys, they need minutes to make that next jump.
For both of these guys, they need minutes to make that next jump.
mellow
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I am not a Favors hater nor a Favors apologist. I see him as a young player with tons of potential who sometimes plays great, and sometimes looks lost. Potential is a dangerous word, it gets fans to see things that aren't really so and can get NBA coaches & GMs fired.
Right now in his second season Favors numbers look almost identical to Kwame Brown's numbers in his 2nd season. see here:
If that doesn't make you nervous, then you got more nerve than me. My biggest concern is not his physical skills, its mental. Hopefully he can grow out of those little lapses. But until then, I'm not ready to crown him as the next Jazz
Right now in his second season Favors numbers look almost identical to Kwame Brown's numbers in his 2nd season. see here:
If that doesn't make you nervous, then you got more nerve than me. My biggest concern is not his physical skills, its mental. Hopefully he can grow out of those little lapses. But until then, I'm not ready to crown him as the next Jazz
Random comparisons don't make me nervous at all. I think Favors can already be counted on to be a net positive in the game for the Jazz. Even when he is offensively impotent (which isn't rare), he always is a defensive force to be reckoned with. The game looks very different with him on the floor, and teams quickly adjust to his inside presence by commencing a chuck-fest. I think a 20 year old who's already the best defender on the team, and shows great offensive promise, is something to be excited about.
BluesRocker
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I think a big reason he has struggled at times this year is because he has had some serious bad luck with fouls. Most of it his fault but it also seemed a lot were going against him even it were close. It seemed like the refs were piling on at times. I think that may have been the reason why he has been hesitant at times and hasnt been at his best always. He is trying to figure out what he can and can't do. He will be fine.
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BluesRocker
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Are you crazy? Have you ever watched Sloan coach?
No way does he play the defensive guy over the offensive guy . There was always better defensive options on the bench during the Boozer and Okur era and Sloan never would bench one of them. Jerry preached a lot of defense but he favored the offensive players always. His approach was try to get good offensive players to play defense and not the other way around.
Corbin is basically Sloan junior. He holds the same views on vets over rooks and their rotations.
Sloan would have done the same thing.