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Devin Harris To Portland This Summer?

Portland fans are talking about a Utah trade as well. I think this trade makes the most sense

Portland gets Devin Harris, Paul Millsap, Raja Bell

Utah gets Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum, Marcus Camby, #21
****ing terrible. Holy ****ing ****.

1) Camby isn't going anywhere. He said he'll retire if he's traded. I believe him, he's what, 37?
2) Camby is old as **** and making a move to get him is ONLY a win-now move. Huge waste of time and money.
3) Portland doesn't want Miller. They have a team option and the only way they exercise that is if they're using Miller as a salary-matcher or if they can't get another PG anywhere.
4) Miller is old as **** and isn't going to mean anything besides mentoring whoever the Jazz get.

Why are the Jazz trading two stars for washed-up players, a late pick in a bad draft, and one actually nice (but not a star or cornerstone) player? To dump Bell?
 
What about Harris for a sign and trade of Oden?
Anybody willing to do that?
Would anybody take a gamble on Oden instead of Kanter?
Then Jazz can change strategy for #3 and #12.
 
What about Harris for a sign and trade of Oden?
Anybody willing to do that?
Would anybody take a gamble on Oden instead of Kanter?
Then Jazz can change strategy for #3 and #12.

Not a chance. He will be in a wheelchair after the 1st quarter of the 1st game. He might not even survive practice.
 
What about Harris for a sign and trade of Oden?
Anybody willing to do that?
Would anybody take a gamble on Oden instead of Kanter?
Then Jazz can change strategy for #3 and #12.

Then again, maybe the new CBA will allow bionic legs to be incorporated into the game. If so, I am willing to take a flyer of Oden.
 
****ing terrible. Holy ****ing ****.

1) Camby isn't going anywhere. He said he'll retire if he's traded. I believe him, he's what, 37?
2) Camby is old as **** and making a move to get him is ONLY a win-now move. Huge waste of time and money.
3) Portland doesn't want Miller. They have a team option and the only way they exercise that is if they're using Miller as a salary-matcher or if they can't get another PG anywhere.
4) Miller is old as **** and isn't going to mean anything besides mentoring whoever the Jazz get.

Why are the Jazz trading two stars for washed-up players, a late pick in a bad draft, and one actually nice (but not a star or cornerstone) player? To dump Bell?

You make some good points but only piss on it with your hyperbole. Calling Devin Harris a star is ridiculous. And many on the board here would rather have Batum than Harris.
 
You make some good points but only piss on it with your hyperbole. Calling Devin Harris a star is ridiculous. And many on the board here would rather have Batum than Harris.

I agree. I don't see how anyone could call Harris a star. Even Numberica has pointed out that his best asset is speed. As he ages he is bound to lose a step or two. Not to mention the injuries he has accumulated over the recent years.
 
Then again, maybe the new CBA will allow bionic legs to be incorporated into the game. If so, I am willing to take a flyer of Oden.

It's a risky operation, but it'll be worth it.

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All of you are really underselling the bad blood between these two franchises. Greg Miller hates Paul Allen, he tried to **** over this franchise not once - twice. Wow how soon some of you forget. There were plenty of other good free agents yet he targeted Utah twice because the franchises limited earnings and war chest. He will be aiming to do it in the upcoming years on Jeremy Evans, Gordon Hayward, and Derrick Favors, mark my words. Nothing makes me happier that franchise will be locked in mediocrity the next 4 years due to Roy's degenerative knees and untradeable contract. That's called karma bitches. Trades are the only way Portland can improve, lets not help them out.
 
All of you are really underselling the bad blood between these two franchises. Greg Miller hates Paul Allen, he tried to **** over this franchise not once - twice. Wow how soon some of you forget. There were plenty of other good free agents yet he targeted Utah twice because the franchises limited earnings and war chest. He will be aiming to do it in the upcoming years on Jeremy Evans, Gordon Hayward, and Derrick Favors, mark my words. Nothing makes me happier that franchise will be locked in mediocrity the next 4 years due to Roy's degenerative knees and untradeable contract. That's called karma bitches. Trades are the only way Portland can improve, lets not help them out.

There's no doubt that they have tried targeted our guys two years in a row. That being said, we have to do what is best for the rebuilding process we are currently in. Let them continue to pick up aging vets who won't push them over the top(Harris) and give us valuable pieces in return(Batum). JMO
 
Changing Of The Guard In Utah?

By: Bill Ingram

When the Utah Jazz traded All-Star point guard Deron Williams just before the February trade deadline it was very much a reaction to Williams inspiring head coach Jerry Sloan to step down mid-season. The franchise had to respond, and the response was to send Williams to the New Jersey Nets in a deal that landed point guard Devin Harris in Utah. Harris does have All-Star credentials of his own, but he's a significant step down from Williams and represents an entirely different kind of floor leader.

Harris is really at his best in isolation situations, as he is quicker than most of the players he faces at the point and his first step is as quick as anyone's. Unfortunately, the Jazz aren't a team that often clears out a side and just lets someone go one-on-one, and Harris isn't particularly efficient at running Utah's preferred style of play. He's OK in the pick-and-roll, but ranks in the 58th percentile among NBA ball handlers in the pick-and-roll, and for all of his quickness he isn't very good in transition, where the Jazz also like to live. This season Harris ranked in the 27th percentile in transition, which is dismally low, and the transition game was Utah's second-best way of scoring this season, second only to spot-up situations.

Compare Harris' numbers to Williams, who was the pick-and-roll ball-handler 29.5% of the time this season, and was really at his best in hand-off plays. In his last full season with Utah, Williams was the pick-and-roll ball handler in 19.4% of his offensive plays and was ranked in the 76th percentile in converting those opportunities. He scored in transition 17.5% of the time, putting him in the 54th percentile. In short, Williams was the type of point guard who was tailor made for Utah's offense, and Harris' inability to play the style had a lot to do with the team's dismal play after the trade. It's also why we're hearing Harris' name come up in trade rumors.

Meanwhile, the Jazz believe they can find their long-term solution at the point in this year's draft, with BYU point guard Jimmer Fredette.

Fredette would set the Jazz back a bit in terms of experience, but when you think about the kind of point guard who would flourish in the pick-and-roll culture of the Jazz, you can see how Fredette would hold a lot of appeal. At BYU he ran a lot of pick-and-rolls, in fact pick-and-roll plays constituted 21% of Fredette's offense while running the team and he was very good at running it. His top three offensive players were isolation (29.5%), transition (22.6%) and pick-and-roll, and those are also the plays that have defined Utah Jazz basketball for several generations.

Don't be surprised if the Jazz move Harris, possibly to a team like Portland that's looking for a new floor leader and has appealing pieces to send out in trade. Fredette could very well turn out to be Utah's next great point guard.
 
Batum has much higher upside than Matthews and I think Portland FO (when they have one) would agree with that. Also Matthews' contract is much less friendly than Batum's, so it is more likley we can pry Matthews away than Batum.
 
All of you are really underselling the bad blood between these two franchises. Greg Miller hates Paul Allen, he tried to **** over this franchise not once - twice. Wow how soon some of you forget. .

You gotta be 100% business - never personal. When it gets personal people lose money and opportunities.

Having said that - don't want Miller. Yeah, he puts up solid numbers; but to me he's a malcontent and a loner who plays just good enough to get his next starting job. And he'll never get on the same page as Jefferson or Favors - I'd doubt he'd say 5 words combined to each of them all year.

Don't want Camby - we already have the best young PF in the league. Why do we want this old man taking minutes from him - not counting the 30 or so games he'll miss due to assorted injuries?

Don't want Fernandez - he's a jerkoff.

Batum and Matthews I'm interested; but then you all but force yourself to pick Knight at 3. Does that mean you definitely don't want Kanter? What if Williams is available at 3?
 
****ing terrible. Holy ****ing ****.

1) Camby isn't going anywhere. He said he'll retire if he's traded. I believe him, he's what, 37?
2) Camby is old as **** and making a move to get him is ONLY a win-now move. Huge waste of time and money.
3) Portland doesn't want Miller. They have a team option and the only way they exercise that is if they're using Miller as a salary-matcher or if they can't get another PG anywhere.
4) Miller is old as **** and isn't going to mean anything besides mentoring whoever the Jazz get.

Why are the Jazz trading two stars for washed-up players, a late pick in a bad draft, and one actually nice (but not a star or cornerstone) player? To dump Bell?

This. This trade gives Portland exactly what they need. An upgrade at the point and a solid backup at power forward. We get their garbage, a late pick in a bad draft, and an overrated Batum. Millsap is the best player in this trade by far. Why do people so casually throw him into every trade they can think of?
 
Millsap is a stud. And he needs to accept that on the Jazz, with new personnel, he best serves the team's needs as a 6th man.
 
No way would I trade Harris AND Milsap as someone mentioned.. Harris and CJ for Miller and Matthews/Batum in a heartbeat however. A lot of people are underrating Andre Miller. He is quietly effective and has been his whole career. Obviously the main piece in a trade like this would be Batum or Matthews, but Miller would be good for 25 min/per and to mento Knight or Jimmer, depending on who we draft.
 
So if Andre Miller is that good, why would Portland trade him? And, if they think Harris would be so good with them, why would we want to trade him?
 
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