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Disturbing abortion trend?(anecdotal)

♪alt13

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I keep having the same conversation with women. I'm not really sure why women open up to me about their reproduction. Perhaps it's because I am a father that is still with their mother and I look like a non-judgmental person. Point is they do, and there seems to be a trend that kinda pisses me off. A fair number of men(a lot) seem to be confused about a woman's right to choose. They seem to think it means a man's right to choose.

I keep running into women that have been pressured or told that they should have an abortion if they were to get pregnant. It's despicable. There seems to be a large number of young men that are seemingly liberal on this issue but only for their own benefit and they are using it to oppress women.

The young women who I spoke to tonight told me that she had a pregnancy scare and that her boyfriend wasn't ready for kids. He used her immigration status as a threat and was pressuring her to have an abortion. Luckily it was just a scare. She didn't have to make that choice but the expectations have been set regardless. It disturbs me(and like I said this is far from the first situation like this I have come across)that men would dare to push women toward an abortion that they do not want.

It seems to me that we are failing young men and women by not properly educating them, especially young men, in their rights and their roles when it comes to reproduction.

A woman's right to choose does not mean that you get to force that on her, douchebag!

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I'm not sure if this is different from 50, 100, or 200 years ago.

Men impregnate women all the time and don't want to raise the baby. The only difference is that today there are safe and sanitary methods of abortion. Whereas in times past, women would attempt to perform their own abortions and end up injuring themselves. Children were found abandoned all the time at rail stations, churches, or at the front door of orphanages.

Men can be scumbags.
 
With all the contraceptives available, why are women getting prego? I'd think the number of unplanned/unwanted pregnancies would be minuscule today with all the birth control, morning after bills, condoms, etc.
 
With all the contraceptives available, why are women getting prego? I'd think the number of unplanned/unwanted pregnancies would be minuscule today with all the birth control, morning after bills, condoms, etc.

You try taking a daily pill, monthly injection, or having a device shoved up your genitals that you can't afford in the first place.
 
Are condoms too expensive in the US?

I've never made it through a full session while wearing a hat in my whole life. Give it 2 minutes and both parties have decided that the hat needs to be removed. Hard hats work for protection but in my experience don't work for sessions.
 
I keep having the same conversation with women. I'm not really sure why women open up to me about their reproduction. Perhaps it's because I am a father that is still with their mother and I look like a non-judgmental person. Point is they do, and there seems to be a trend that kinda pisses me off. A fair number of men(a lot) seem to be confused about a woman's right to choose. They seem to think it means a man's right to choose.

I keep running into women that have been pressured or told that they should have an abortion if they were to get pregnant. It's despicable. There seems to be a large number of young men that are seemingly liberal on this issue but only for their own benefit and they are using it to oppress women.

The young women who I spoke to tonight told me that she had a pregnancy scare and that her boyfriend wasn't ready for kids. He used her immigration status as a threat and was pressuring her to have an abortion. Luckily it was just a scare. She didn't have to make that choice but the expectations have been set regardless. It disturbs me(and like I said this is far from the first situation like this I have come across)that men would dare to push women toward an abortion that they do not want.

It seems to me that we are failing young men and women by not properly educating them, especially young men, in their rights and their roles when it comes to reproduction.

A woman's right to choose does not mean that you get to force that on her, douchebag!

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Obviously women have the right to choose. It is something that happens inside their body, regardless of the choice.

It is important to keep in mind that this woman has the power to choose for both her and him. Even if he wants to not have a child, and even if he has nothing to do with the child, he has to pay to support that child. It's not like child support is a small amount of money at all. In fact, the direct amount of my money that goes to the expenses generated by my child (I've been married for 16 years and have a 14 year old son) is considerably less than what the guys I know have to pay for their child support payments. It's pretty crazy. She's basically making a choice that will cost him around $600/month min if they enjoy a rather average lifestyle. He can end up with $2.73 of disposable income a month while he enjoys his studio apt. at the Bachelor Arms, while paying for his ex (even ex GF) to have a more reasonable lifestyle.

This, to me, is one of the most major issues with abortion. One person is making a choice for three people, and there isn't a damn thing the other two can say about it.
 
Let me also add, I think we should address the inequalities of child support and all that once we deal with the discrepancy in pay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nKZuZjiW0o
 
Obviously women have the right to choose. It is something that happens inside their body, regardless of the choice.

It is important to keep in mind that this woman has the power to choose for both her and him. Even if he wants to not have a child, and even if he has nothing to do with the child, he has to pay to support that child. It's not like child support is a small amount of money at all. In fact, the direct amount of my money that goes to the expenses generated by my child (I've been married for 16 years and have a 14 year old son) is considerably less than what the guys I know have to pay for their child support payments. It's pretty crazy. She's basically making a choice that will cost him around $600/month min if they enjoy a rather average lifestyle. He can end up with $2.73 of disposable income a month while he enjoys his studio apt. at the Bachelor Arms, while paying for his ex (even ex GF) to have a more reasonable lifestyle.

This, to me, is one of the most major issues with abortion. One person is making a choice for three people, and there isn't a damn thing the other two can say about it.

For sure I think that child support, fathers rights, and the way that plays out is an issue but keeping a baby does not effect the decision the man made. The woman is making a choice that she gets only because it is inside her body. She would have no ground to make such a choice otherwise. As it is not inside of a man's body he has no ground on which to stand. Monetary considerations alone are not enough and besides CS fairness can be addressed within society separately. Taken together these things make CS not relevant to the issue of abortion, imv.

I've honesstly just heard the same story too often. It really bugs me
 
I've never made it through a full session while wearing a hat in my whole life. Give it 2 minutes and both parties have decided that the hat needs to be removed. Hard hats work for protection but in my experience don't work for sessions.

Hmm.. k... well if I'm walking into a building site and I don't intend to get injured then I'm almost always going to wear the hat, and also the work boots... I know a guy who was paralysed because he didn't wear those boots and something fell on him, I used to help him out a bit with the wheelchair, etc...


Some things are too important to worry about whether or not to wear hats/boots...
 
Hmm.. k... well if I'm walking into a building site and I don't intend to get injured then I'm almost always going to wear the hat, and also the work boots... I know a guy who was paralysed because he didn't wear those boots and something fell on him, I used to help him out a bit with the wheelchair, etc...


Some things are too important to worry about whether or not to wear hats/boots...

WTF?
 

You know those work boots that have a metal cap protecting your toes, etc? This guy didn't wear them and I think he was on a building site and some steel posts fell on his feet and he had to use wheelchairs from then on. I used to help him out when I was at Uni before I found a steady job at the IMAX theatre as a part-time cinema worker. I worked there for 3 years Fri, Sat, Sun nights.
 
You know those work boots that have a metal cap protecting your toes, etc? This guy didn't wear them and I think he was on a building site and some steel posts fell on his feet and he had to use wheelchairs from then on. I used to help him out when I was at Uni before I found a steady job at the IMAX theatre as a part-time cinema worker. I worked there for 3 years Fri, Sat, Sun nights.

We're not talking about PPE... Like not at all. It was a metaphor used to comply with the site rules while talking about something a little more explicit.
 
You try taking a daily pill, monthly injection, or having a device shoved up your genitals that you can't afford in the first place.

I take no fewer than 11 pills per day. Sometimes I forget but rarely. It isn't that hard.
 
I love you man.

Please don't hurt me.

Yah, sorry it was my fault for not drawing a clearer parallel.


I was meant to say that I was helping this guy out and he was paying me close to $300 a week to help him out around the house/office cos he was wheelchair bound. He could have avoided it by wearing 'protective' work boots that day.


Similarly, if you're not ready to have a baby, and don't want to end up paying $300 a week child support to someone you had a 1 night stand with after you had a few too many, then it makes sense to just put on 'protection'.
 
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