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One Brow said:
Since maintaining a 45-person roster where you need 40 players to be active contributers is exactly the same as maintaining a 13-man roster where you plan on playing 8-9, and having 3 or 4 players as the focus of the team, these are exactly comparable. Well done. Especially since, to my understanding, NFL guaranteed salaries are easier to dispose of than guaranteed NBA salaries.



Since, after the top one or two players, every player on the team would be making the minimum, yes, that's what would happen.
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So you agree that the top players would be spread out amongst all the teams.
Each team would get to pay 2 guys big money. So the top 60 players or so would be spread out pretty evenly. Jazz have 2 top players making big money. Then they draft Donovan. Championships follow.
Sounds good to me.

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If the NFL had a system like the NBA then I'm guessing a team like the cowboys would have Brady/Brees, gourley, kelce, Antonio brown and Julio Jones or something like that. They would just pay the tax. Jerry Jones ain't afraid of the penalties. Just like the warriors owner obviously isn't. Jazz owner would be more hesitant.

And as far as a hard cap causing guys to go to the big market for endorsements...... Each team would have a couple of top salaried guys. That equals out to about 60 guys. How much endorsement money is there for non top 60 NBA players? Hell, even some guys in the top 60 aren't getting much endorsement money.

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fishonjazz said:
If the NFL had a system like the NBA then I'm guessing a team like the cowboys would have Brady/Brees, gourley, kelce, Antonio brown and Julio Jones or something like that. They would just pay the tax. Jerry Jones ain't afraid of the penalties. Just like the warriors owner obviously isn't. Jazz owner would be more hesitant.

And as far as a hard cap causing guys to go to the big market for endorsements...... Each team would have a couple of top salaried guys. That equals out to about 60 guys. How much endorsement money is there for non top 60 NBA players? Hell, even some guys in the top 60 aren't getting much endorsement money.

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Yeah endorsement money drops off pretty solidly outside of maybe 20 players is my bet.
 
fishonjazz said:
So you agree that the top players would be spread out amongst all the teams.
Each team would get to pay 2 guys big money. So the top 60 players or so would be spread out pretty evenly. Jazz have 2 top players making big money. Then they draft Donovan. Championships follow.
Sounds good to me.
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We've already drafted Donovan, and under NFL-like hard cap salary rules, we can't afford to keep him past a couple of years. That's why the Bird rule exists!
 
Like I said before. Agree to disagree. Some people predict one thing. Some predict another thing. All guesses. I'm just sick of the warriors dominance and I like how the NFL works. I would like to try something new.

Doesn't matter though cause it's never gonna happen.

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fishonjazz said:
Like I said before. Agree to disagree. Some people predict one thing. Some predict another thing. All guesses. I'm just sick of the warriors dominance and I like how the NFL works. I would like to try something new.

Doesn't matter though cause it's never gonna happen.
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Did happen. The NBA tried to institute a hard cap in the early 1980s, and created exceptions for it almost immediately.
 
When you go a break down the 1996-97 and 1997-98 Bulls, you will realize how bogus the NBA was even back then.

In 1996-97, MJ made over twice as much as the next highest player in the league and 3x more than anybody outside the top 5 salaries. To make matters worse, the Bulls also had Rodman who was a top 10 NBA salary and Pippen who wasn't far behind that. So really, Chicago got to spend twice as much on their squad as other teams did on theirs. Shocking it took them 6 games to beat us.

Anybody who blames current players or LeBron for league issues really should be looking at their false idol MJ. But of course that guy never gets negative press.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-paid_NBA_players_by_season

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One Brow said:
Did happen. The NBA tried to institute a hard cap in the early 1980s, and created exceptions for it almost immediately.
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And we've tried universal health Care and made exceptions for it almost immediately. Not worth trying again amiright?
 
LoPo said:
When you go a break down the 1996-97 and 1997-98 Bulls, you will realize how bogus the NBA was even back then.

In 1996-97, MJ made over twice as much as the next highest player in the league and 3x more than anybody outside the top 5 salaries. To make matters worse, the Bulls also had Rodman who was a top 10 NBA salary and Pippen who wasn't far behind that. So really, Chicago got to spend twice as much on their squad as other teams did on theirs. Shocking it took them 6 games to beat us.

Anybody who blames current players or LeBron for league issues really should be looking at their false idol MJ. But of course that guy never gets negative press.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-paid_NBA_players_by_season

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Actually the players have very little to do with any of what you are talking about, other than the player's Union in negotiating the CBA. It's the proliferation of money and the profit sharing from the most recent CBA's that are really driving the parity issues. The players are taking full advantage, and you really can't blame them for taking what is given. That is why we need to here better control over the money to help drive better parity.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
You’re statement that we wouldn’t be able to keep Donovan if this was the NFL is patently false.
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It might be. We don't know how high the limit for a hard cap would be, and the sorts of prices Gobert and Mitchell would command. I agree it's not certainly true, but it would be a danger.
 
One Brow said:
Is there a better way to do a hard cap than they used in the 1980s?
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I'm not a professional cap-ologist but I've built my career on finding better ways to do things, especially when people say it can't be done. I'm sure there are other ways to look at it, even if it's a semi-hard cap. Maybe a tiered cap, or a stiffer luxury tax, maybe stronger incentives for longevity, for both the players and the franchise. I'm sure we could toss around a dozen ideas for other ways to approach it. But saying "welp it didn't work in the 80's" is just kind of lazy thinking.
 
One Brow said:
It might be. We don't know how high the limit for a hard cap would be, and the sorts of prices Gobert and Mitchell would command. I agree it's not certainly true, but it would be a danger.
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Every money model carries risk, it's just the nature of money and business. The question is, can we find one that minimizes those risks while maximizing the benefits, again the very foundation of all business. Look at Amazon, one of the biggest knocks on the company was that every internet venture that didn't turn a profit within 18 months was doomed to fail, but Bezos ran under the revenue growth+market share>profit model, thereby reporting loses for the better part of 2 decades, in chasing revenue and market share, and he turned conventional wisdom on it's head. With the new money the league found a few years ago and the new agreements for profit sharing, without understanding the ultimate repercussions to parity, they created the current climate of players dictating where they will play and risking stifling competition in the long run. We need a new money distribution system to re-balance the equation now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm not a professional cap-ologist but I've built my career on finding better ways to do things, especially when people say it can't be done. I'm sure there are other ways to look at it, even if it's a semi-hard cap. Maybe a tiered cap, or a stiffer luxury tax, maybe stronger incentives for longevity, for both the players and the franchise. I'm sure we could toss around a dozen ideas for other ways to approach it. But saying "welp it didn't work in the 80's" is just kind of lazy thinking.
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I agree that maybe there are better ways to do things (better revenue-sharing from box office receipts, for example). I find it unlikely to be a hard cap, since NBA owners always seem to be pushing to soften the cap.
 
One Brow said:
I agree that maybe there are better ways to do things (better revenue-sharing from box office receipts, for example). I find it unlikely to be a hard cap, since NBA owners always seem to be pushing to soften the cap.
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It probably is unlikely, but imo that is more likely to be vetoed by the players than the owners. A version of a hard cap would help owners control cost in the long run, since it could eliminate discussions around luxury tax and give them a known payroll. But it would also limit money to the players somewhat, which the players Union would vote against every time. And in the end anything like this has to go through both groups, so obviously we are just engaging in fan speculation. I don't think a single person here expects the league to do any of these things realistically, it's just what we arm-chair GMs think they should do.
 
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