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One Brow said:
It might be. We don't know how high the limit for a hard cap would be, and the sorts of prices Gobert and Mitchell would command. I agree it's not certainly true, but it would be a danger.
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Pffffft- Mitchell and Gobert aren't even all stars. How are they going to be demanding these top salaries?
 
I honestly don't know if there is an answer to helping the small markets here. The stuff they give them seems to hurt more than it helps. Like the megamax contract to stay... the megastars don't care as much and fringe superstars like Wall and Cousins will demand it to stay... teams will pay or trade the guy prior to having to unload the brinks truck.

If there was a non-cap allocation that can be given by the team that drafted a player then it wouldn't hurt as much... like DM can sign a $25M max somewhere else, but he can get $30M by staying put... but the franchise doesn't have to take the additional $5M out of the cap. You can't completely level the playing field... just can't. NBA just needs to make sure the 25 other teams don't become feeder teams for 5 super teams. Short term they like the ratings... long term it could have negative effects.

Its really hard to find a solution that doesn't have negative unintended consequences. I can see the next CBA negotiations getting ugly... small markets vs. large markets a sub-fight of the players vs. the owners.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I honestly don't know if there is an answer to helping the small markets here. The stuff they give them seems to hurt more than it helps. Like the megamax contract to stay... the megastars don't care as much and fringe superstars like Wall and Cousins will demand it to stay... teams will pay or trade the guy prior to having to unload the brinks truck.

If there was a non-cap allocation that can be given by the team that drafted a player then it wouldn't hurt as much... like DM can sign a $25M max somewhere else, but he can get $30M by staying put... but the franchise doesn't have to take the additional $5M out of the cap. You can't completely level the playing field... just can't. NBA just needs to make sure the 25 other teams don't become feeder teams for 5 super teams. Short term they like the ratings... long term it could have negative effects.

Its really hard to find a solution that doesn't have negative unintended consequences. I can see the next CBA negotiations getting ugly... small markets vs. large markets a sub-fight of the players vs. the owners.
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There will also be a battle between the high tier stars and the lesser players, especially when some of those "lower" tier players are better than the higher tier "stars." If I were an average player, I certainly wouldn't feel happy with the representation I have received from megamax Chris Paul.
 
One Brow said:
I agree that maybe there are better ways to do things (better revenue-sharing from box office receipts, for example). I find it unlikely to be a hard cap, since NBA owners always seem to be pushing to soften the cap.
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In the past, they talked about having the exact same scenario as right now but add a hard cap. So something that sits above the luxury tax. So using this year...

18-19 cap $102ish
18-19 luxury $123ish
18-19 hard cap $140

GS, OKC and Toronto are in that hard cap area.

Seems like a decent addition, but I think there needs to be loss of 1st rounders for repeat offenders.

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framer said:
There will also be a battle between the high tier stars and the lesser players, especially when some of those "lower" tier players are better than the higher tier "stars." If I were an average player, I certainly wouldn't feel happy with the representation I have received from megamax Chris Paul.
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Exactly... was going to mention it... issue is the players are generally not as smart when it comes to this stuff. Like they all say " no more max salaries " guess what that means... Lebron and Steph get 70-80M a year and all the guys making $10M go down to 2-3M.

There are unintended consequences of all of these decisions... no easy answers. Honestly if you could "tag" an unrestricted FA and you had to offer full max+ to tag them and the team signing a "tagged" player had to give the first available first round pick for signing that guy... it might soften the blow a little. Would Boston still have signed Hayward? Prolly... at least we get a pick. For guys like AD the home team still wants to keep him so it would suck... but there would be some here that would have preferred a crappy first to signing Hayward to a max. Some sort of comp for losing an all-star would help... IDK... this stuff is hard... just spitballing now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I honestly don't know if there is an answer to helping the small markets here. The stuff they give them seems to hurt more than it helps. Like the megamax contract to stay... the megastars don't care as much and fringe superstars like Wall and Cousins will demand it to stay... teams will pay or trade the guy prior to having to unload the brinks truck.

If there was a non-cap allocation that can be given by the team that drafted a player then it wouldn't hurt as much... like DM can sign a $25M max somewhere else, but he can get $30M by staying put... but the franchise doesn't have to take the additional $5M out of the cap. You can't completely level the playing field... just can't. NBA just needs to make sure the 25 other teams don't become feeder teams for 5 super teams. Short term they like the ratings... long term it could have negative effects.

Its really hard to find a solution that doesn't have negative unintended consequences. I can see the next CBA negotiations getting ugly... small markets vs. large markets a sub-fight of the players vs. the owners.
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The problem is the difference in the money isn't enough when you are talking such ridiculously large numbers. What's an extra 20 million when your contract will still be over 100 Mill? It would help to be delineated as a percentage of the cap.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Exactly... was going to mention it... issue is the players are generally not as smart when it comes to this stuff. Like they all say " no more max salaries " guess what that means... Lebron and Steph get 70-80M a year and all the guys making $10M go down to 2-3M.
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This ALREADY happened to players like Lou Williams, who are making peanuts compared to a dude like Porter Jr, even though Lou is probably the better player. The whole rejection of the cap smoothing screwed over a lot of players and made some others richer than they deserved. I fully suspect that the players union did not make the consequences of that deal clear to their members.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The problem is the difference in the money isn't enough when you are talking such ridiculously large numbers. What's an extra 20 million when your contract will still be over 100 Mill? It would help to be delineated as a percentage of the cap.
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Agree... some guys will want every nickel though and will value it *cough* Carmelo *cough*
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Agree... some guys will want every nickel though and will value it *cough* Carmelo *cough*
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You can't build the rule just to address the exceptions. They're will always be people that buck the trend. But if you build a cap that, let's say, gives the top 1 guy in any team 30 Mill, the next 20 Mill, and divvies out the rest you will have fewer superstars willing to take 3rd place money. But when each of the top 3 guys can make 22, 28, and 34, and they know they only have to give up a bit to get the superteam together, well then we might as well set up a Sr. NBA league with 6 teams and a Jr. NBA league to feed it.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You can't build the rule just to address the exceptions. They're will always be people that buck the trend. But if you build a cap that, let's say, gives the top 1 guy in any team 30 Mill, the next 20 Mill, and divvies out the rest you will have fewer superstars willing to take 3rd place money. But when each of the top 3 guys can make 22, 28, and 34, and they know they only have to give up a bit to get the superteam together, well then we might as well set up a Sr. NBA league with 6 teams and a Jr. NBA league to feed it.
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The problem is when it does happen it will be even stronger than it is now.
 
AD went on the record at the all-star game and said "all 29 teams are open market" for landing him... but we all know, that doesn't mean he'll sign an extension unless it's the Lakers.
 
Shad said:
AD went on the record at the all-star game and said "all 29 teams are open market" for landing him... but we all know, that doesn't mean he'll sign an extension unless it's the Lakers.
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He said that to get out from under the stigma, pure PR, it means nothing. He has 1 team in mind, period.
 
Shad said:
Everyone knows that. We all know he was on damage control
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Sorry bro. I was agreeing with you .didn't mean to offend you and your high levels of discernment.
 
NBA ratings continue to plummet....All Star game ratings slightly down, dunk contest night with equal ratings of the MLB home run derby *sips tea......but some fools will say it doesn’t matter. Guess what? It does. The Warriors dominance/super team dominance—only fun for so long. The NBA has been covered 10X more with all is stupid *** drama and has been beat out in the last couple weeks by a Duke game and the NFLs G-League in ratings. For all the talk of how the NFLs ratings have struggled, they still blow away the NBA with a fraction of media attention and headlines. When you ignore most of your league and a few select markets are all that matter in your league, when their ratings are down you’re in a bad spot. Start paying attention to/caring about the other 25 fan bases in your league and maybe you can generate more interest in your teams and your league.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/20/nba-ratings-tnt-abc-espn-tv/
 
oneye said:
NBA ratings continue to plummet....All Star game ratings slightly down, dunk contest night with equal ratings of the MLB home run derby *sips tea......but some fools will say it doesn’t matter. Guess what? It does. The Warriors dominance/super team dominance—only fun for so long. The NBA has been covered 10X more with all is stupid *** drama and has been beat out in the last couple weeks by a Duke game and the NFLs G-League in ratings. For all the talk of how the NFLs ratings have struggled, they still blow away the NBA with a fraction of media attention and headlines. When you ignore most of your league and a few select markets are all that matter in your league, when their ratings are down you’re in a bad spot. Start paying attention to/caring about the other 25 fan bases in your league and maybe you can generate more interest in your teams and your league.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/20/nba-ratings-tnt-abc-espn-tv/
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Great post.

The NBA needs to figure out this power struggle by making it harder for stars to unite. Also, this traveling garbage makes the NBA a joke to the average fan.

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LoPo said:
Great post.

The NBA needs to figure out this power struggle by making it harder for stars to unite. Also, this traveling garbage makes the NBA a joke to the average fan.

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Holy **** that is bad

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For that kind of crap they should add a ref off the court checking replays and correcting calls. The replays come plenty fast enough to at least see enough to say, hey that looks weird, then call for a review. Not looking for every nitpicking thing but for egregious missed calls like that. Would help a lot imo, or give coaches 2 challenges per half or something. So QS could have challenged the travel by harden for example. But yes that kind of **** has been getting worse imo. I'd love to see some stats on travels called in the past 5 years compared to 20 years ago.
 
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