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Do we overrate the Jazz?

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Stifle Tower

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*Still haven't beaten a team with a winning record.
*Defense has been porous against Portland and Cleveland.
*Getting lit up by opposing guards
*Can't close out games. Choked against Detroit and Cleveland. Almost gave the Memphis game away.
*Terrible offensive statistics

Utah has ONE quality win (Memphis). Sorry, "moral" victories don't count, especially when you **** the game away at the end. Jazz have no legit starting PG. They have zero quality backup PF's.And apparently no one behind Gobert,


And no, this isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to the Cleveland loss. It's an observation over all the games. Jazz don't seema to be building off last season. Burke (of all people) is the only player that seems to be much improved. No one else looks that much better. And that concerns me with a young team.
 
I think if you watch this team you can see that they are still finding their way together, they're still figuring out how to put together a 48 minute performance. But I can see them learning, and I see for long stretches of every game what they are capable of.

To answer your question, I think it depends where you think we rate this team? Do we rate them as one of the top teams in the league? Because they certainly are not there yet. Do we rate them as a low seed in the playoffs? I think that's pretty spot on. If we're rating them on potential? Based on what i have seen so far, and knowing what the coaching staff can do and what the front office may be able to add over the coming season or seasons, I don't think it is too ambitious to believe we can be a top team.
 
I don't think people overrate this team. Most observers would say that this team is growing and will be battling for a PO sport, à la NO last year. Whether they make it is another issue, but as long as the team is in the run till the very last games, it is where it should be.

Now re the composition of the team, yes there are a few glaring holes notably at back up 4/5, but hey 25 teams in the league have that kind of hole.
 
Aside from Favors two missed FYs the Jazz didn't choke. They took the game to the wire against the defending EC champs with the best player in the world on their home court.

Opposing guards are a problem.

Go ahead and devalue them. The Jazz are for real.

I like you Stifle but as far as I can see you consistently have the worst takes on the Jazz.
 
No I don't over rate them.
Nothing has changed. Before the season started I had them winning around 45-49 games and fighting for the last playoff spot.
I still think that is how they will end up
 
We are a fanbase. Some overrate, some underrate, some have realistic expectations, others do not.

I am just being realistic when I say we likely will only lose maybe two or three more games all season.
 
Relative to how Lakers fans overrate the Lakers, (many of them were actually convinced a run to the playoffs was possible) definitely no. I'd say Jazz fans are considerably more realistic. Most everyone in NY thinks the Knicks are just terrible, and give them no chance with fat-*** Carmelo -- So I'd say in comparison to that - Yes, Jazz fans probably do overrate the team.. but those are extreme examples.

The west is as tough as ever, so its' fair to be hesitant. do the Jazz really match-up well in playoff series vs some of these teams? absolutely not.. No one was realistically talking about home-court advantage, this is a young competitive team, playing .500 ball would be an accomplishment.

The 6 youngest teams in the NBA are;
76ers 23.3
Bucks 24.4
Jazz 24.6
Blazers 24.6
Celtics 25.0
Magic 25.0

Also I hate to even bring this up, but it's prudent to these projection conversations - I'm have my doubts about how the Jazz are equipped to handle further injuries.


If Trey Burke were to get hurt a PG must be traded for, and Alec should start at point. There's a few players that if lost, could be potentially crippling blows IMO.



After watching the first 7 games, this team looks like its ready to play .500 ball, I bet the over on the wins total, but not with great conviction. Thru 7 games I've kinda been asking myself if I was UNDERSELLING them..

My stance hasn't really changed, if there's anything that's got me re-thinking things it's the play of Burks. He seems primed for a career year, his skillset is certainly being undersold by some posters here, for years, he's not nearly limited as some would have led you to believe... They should have him on the floor 31 minutes per game, not 27, he can average 16½-4-4.
 
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We just need our defensive point guard back. It's nice that Trey has been putting up all time high stats, but he is still being outdone by his counterparts (i.e. opposing guards lighting it up).

If we had Exum we could use Trey when we need offense and use Exum to slow down or even shut down the other point guards. Plus, if the preseason was any indicator (it might not have been), Exum had also improved on offense. So would have been really cool to see our team in full force.
 
Stoked said:
Aside from Favors two missed FYs the Jazz didn't choke. They took the game to the wire against the defending EC champs with the best player in the world on their home court.

Opposing guards are a problem.

Go ahead and devalue them. The Jazz are for real.

I like you Stifle but as far as I can see you consistently have the worst takes on the Jazz.
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Stifle is extremely reactionary and always in some sort of personal race to be the first to freak out, as if he thinks they give out a participation ribbon and a juice box for that or something. He also loves to imagine drama. Reminds me of my thirteen year old daughter.
 
Dr. Jones said:
We are a fanbase. Some overrate, some underrate, some have realistic expectations, others do not.

I am just being realistic when I say we likely will only lose maybe two or three more games all season.
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Seriously though, There is no reason for this hand wringing, Gobert is going to be just fine.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Stifle is extremely reactionary and always in some sort of personal race to be the first to freak out, as if he thinks they give out a participation ribbon and a juice box for that or something. He also loves to imagine drama. Reminds me of my thirteen year old daughter.
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I like ribbons, but can I have a Coke instead of a juice box?

I'm more in line with what PG_AB said. Jazz look like a team that will finish around .500. But a key injury throws them into the lottery. They have less depth than we thought as it appears Lyles is nowhere close to contributing and Pleiss/Withey must be really bad to both be riding the pine.

I was thinking a definite 7th/8th seed before the season began. Some were very excited after our first six games, with visions of sugar plums and home court dancing in their heads. I'm merely pointing out that we're further away at this point than many would like to believe. Lindsey has a lot of work to do, The cake is missing some key ingredients. If that's being teenage girl dramatic, then I'm guilty as charged.
 
Went nose to nose with one of thr best teams in the league, and we get this thread?

I hate people. We played freaking great last night. Shut up and pretend you know something about basketball you fool.
 
Holy smokes, guys. We lost a game on the road by 4 to the 2nd best team in the NBA.

We're 4-3 against an average schedule - not overwhelmingly soft. Chances are we'll be 6-4 after our first 10, 8 of which were on the road.

I think most people would say we're a 42-45 win team and we certainly haven't done anything yet to suggest otherwise.
 
I don't think we are overrated at all. Do you think the Cavs would say we are overrated?

We played awesome last night and I think we are going to become better as the year goes on. Favors just gets better and better. He is now our best player IMO. Burks is under so much more control than in the past. Hayward is still figuring it out since we have more weapons stepping up but he will figure it out for sure. Hood is a special player and he will be an All-star someday. Rudy just changes the game and as he matures it is scary to think of what he will do.

I think we'll make the playoffs and in a few years will go deep into the playoffs.
 
PG_AB said:
They should have him on the floor 31 minutes per game, not 27,
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This.
He should also be starting. (Which would get him over 30 minutes per game)
 
Stifle Tower said:
I like ribbons, but can I have a Coke instead of a juice box?

I'm more in line with what PG_AB said. Jazz look like a team that will finish around .500. But a key injury throws them into the lottery. They have less depth than we thought as it appears Lyles is nowhere close to contributing and Pleiss/Withey must be really bad to both be riding the pine.

I was thinking a definite 7th/8th seed before the season began. Some were very excited after our first six games, with visions of sugar plums and home court dancing in their heads. I'm merely pointing out that we're further away at this point than many would like to believe. Lindsey has a lot of work to do, The cake is missing some key ingredients. If that's being teenage girl dramatic, then I'm guilty as charged.
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This may be true but what do you think of our team?
Hayward: pretty damn good right? fringe all star
favors: pretty damn good right? fringe all star
Same could be said about burks and hood.
Rudy is a beast.
Trey is coming along.
I think we all think quin is pretty good coach.
I believe in DL
Super young core that will only get better

No reason to be pessimistic, or under-rate this team.
 
There are a few posters that have blinders on, a few that are overly negative, and a group that for most part are reasonable, especially compared to other fan boards. Every fan hopes their team will do better than they probably will. Just the nature of sport.
 
Since the consensus on the board is that the Jazz should compete for one of the bottom playoff spots and that is where they are, I'd say the board is pretty balanced. Schedule has been easy (rank -= 22/30) but road games are not. If folks were screaming for a top 4 I'd agree with you.

You've selectively pulled facts but omitted others.

To counterbalance:

Many road games. Played well against Cave (a top team) on the road. Wins against respectable Pacers and Grizz.


The third youngest team in the with #5 defensive efficiency and #11 offensive efficiency, #10 Sagarin ranking.

Burke, Burks, Hayward, Neto, Ingles all 3P%>0.350 (league avg 0.323)

I also liked how the Jazz were pi$$ed about the Cavs loss. Especially Favors. Not taking it as an "moral victory." They tasted the victory and let it go.
 
We're not overrated. We won last night's game - the refs simply screwed the Jazz. Also, Exum is out and he would have cut the production of Williams or Irving (had Irving played).
 
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