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Does anyone still like this team?

The reason they bash Donovan is not to just beat up on someone but because he is obviously the most important player for the offense at the end of games, and he is sucking at a historic level. It is also his choice to play that way at the end of games. There is no eternal maxim that All Games Shall Revert to Hero Ball In The Waning Minutes. You nailed it, the game asks for a different level of EXECUTION. That is the primary problem for us at the end of games, we stop executing, almost entirely, and on both ends.

We all know the defensive woes, we have gone at that ad nauseum on here, and the FO did nothing to address it, but even still, if we execute, we are incredibly hard to beat. We literally beat ourselves (get your mind out of the gutter @Keefe ) in these games. Losing a 25 point lead is not getting beat, it is just plain giving the game up.

The reason Donovan carries a heavy portion of this is that he is the one more often than not dictating what happens on the floor, and it is a pretty solidly documented fact that when our offense is flowing, our defense runs better. We are different from most other teams in that regard. Most teams jumpstart their offense by getting some stops. More often than not we slow down on offense and then lose all focus on defense. It is a self-defeating cycle. And, right wrong or indifferent, more often than not it is Mitchell with the ball in his hands when things stall out.

We stop moving and passing and start forcing things, we turn the ball over multiple times, then we start losing any semblance of defensive unity, and it all just collapses. And as unfortunate as it might be, that often starts with Mitchell and what he decides to do in those moments. It isn't a coincidence that in a lot of these games our bench players helped us build the lead, then when we bring Mitchell and Royce back from their rest at the end of the 3rd or into the 4th, we start the downhill slide.

I am not saying every single problem we have is 100% on Mitchell, obviously the core problems with team construction, our biggest problems, are on the FO, and how we use the assets we have, or misuse them, is on Quin, and I think that is the lion's share of our issues. But to ignore the fact that Mitchell is the primary catalyst when games are on the line is being willfully ignorant. Of course he isn't the only one to "blame", but he definitely carries his fair share of it, especially in blowing these tight games at the end, where he is historically bad this season.

And frankly, if we are moving one guy, we need to move the guy that has put up terrible crunch-time numbers and not the multiple DPOY winner. That is just a no-brainer.
Donovan has sucked down the stretch in games the last couple months. But you also gotta realize...

Just because Randy Moss was the best over the top threat of all time doesn't mean he's open every time.

Think about how relatively easy it is to stop us down the stretch when everything slows down, sets are being run, etc.

Bojan - as they say in soccer, put a guy in his pocket. Since Bojan isn't athletic or powerful enough to create space, our opponents just blanket him taking him out of the play.

Mike - once again, the opponent just blankets him. Wipes him off the option board.

Royce - lacks confidence to shoot and has almost zero ability to carve a team apart with a drive.

Now we are left with Don and Rudy while Royce's man is already sagging. We could run the two man game, but Royce's sagging defender can affect passing lanes. It would be nice to think that Don and Rudy could just run PnR with one getting a wide open look, but it's probably easier said than done. Rudy needs the ball in a very tight space.

And Don has sucked lately which makes all the above that much worse.
 
Who built the team? Who is constantly calling them out for not playing D? Who remains silent about that last bit?

The answers are Quin, Rudy, and Quin.

Of course the offense and defense are built around Rudy, he is our most impactful player by a mile. Would be stupid to not take his gravity into account when building the playing system.

But to say that means Rudy "dictates" what happens on the court is a false equivalency, and intellectually dishonest. It is very obvious that Mitchell is the one being catered to. He is the de facto leader on the court. He has the ball in his hands. He makes all of the decisions. It is up to him how things flow, and that image of him ignoring Rudy in the post was just one single tiny example of a much larger problem. And that Quin refuses to hold anyone accountable to anything.

Quin built the strategy around our strongest player, but he defers to our other max player more often. That is the reason we are in the *****er this year. If Quin held people accountable, first and foremost Mitchell, to actually playing D and to playing the offense the way it is intended, to generate the absolute best shot (Gobert has the most dunks in the league, pretty good shot there), we would win a lot more games, but he doesn't. He let's Mitchell do Mitchell things and it has killed us in multiple games. Freezing out Gobert is just one thing he does that hurts us.

Funny thing is Mitchell looks like a superstar when he is racking up 30+ points playing in the flow of the offense as intended through 2.75 quarters, then when he decides to turn on "Mitchell Mode" we fall apart and all that work he did is laid to waste while we lose yet another close one because he refuses to run the offense as intended.

When we are playing the way the system is designed, passing the ball, moving without the ball, the vaunted "blender", we are nigh unstoppable. That is why our bench typically runs the score up, they more often play the style as intended. And when the guys are more connected on D to boot, we are nearly unbeatable. When do we lose all that? When we stray into hero-ball territory. As soon as we stop playing the "system", we start losing. So when we play the game as built around Rudy, we win. When we play the game, centering around Mitchell, we lose. And Quin doesn't do anything to stop the latter and reinforce the former.

This is mostly on Quin, imo. He should be directing the team. But is also on Mitchell, for not sticking with what wins. Why he feels the need to try to "take over" at the end of games when he is so obviously bad at it boggles the mind. This is why many are questioning his BBIQ. You would think he would be focused on making the offense run the best it can, but instead he is more focused on getting his own shots. That is a huge problem that is statistically born out. If you can't see that, then that is on you.
Hammer, meet the nail. This is exactly on point, and to the point of the playoffs require different execution, we have built big leads and lost them just the same as we do during the season. It's our execution that lets us down and hero ball is generally the crux.
 
Donovan has sucked down the stretch in games the last couple months. But you also gotta realize...

Just because Randy Moss was the best over the top threat of all time doesn't mean he's open every time.

Think about how relatively easy it is to stop us down the stretch when everything slows down, sets are being run, etc.

Bojan - as they say in soccer, put a guy in his pocket. Since Bojan isn't athletic or powerful enough to create space, our opponents just blanket him taking him out of the play.

Mike - once again, the opponent just blankets him. Wipes him off the option board.

Royce - lacks confidence to shoot and has almost zero ability to carve a team apart with a drive.

Now we are left with Don and Rudy while Royce's man is already sagging. We could run the two man game, but Royce's sagging defender can affect passing lanes. It would be nice to think that Don and Rudy could just run PnR with one getting a wide open look, but it's probably easier said than done. Rudy needs the ball in a very tight space.

And Don has sucked lately which makes all the above that much worse.
A large part of it is on Quin. Teams will trap our ball handlers or switch forcing the one on one stuff at the end of games. We also don't run our stuff really... which is partly on the players. I see us walking it up the court and dribbling to wind down the clock and try to get a shot... this is okay in the last minute or so... but we start our BS end game offense with like 8 minutes left. Its kind of wild.

We've also done some stuff that is a little regular season gimicky that doesn't translate in the playoffs. The bridge lineups that were so dominant was a huge regular season advantage... I think its a sound strategy to help get more regular season wins and manage the season. Only issue is when we use point differential and things like that to point to how amazing this team is... we have to realize there is some fat in there that will be cut out. Maybe other teams have their version of this too.

I honestly wonder sometimes if we were better with Jae and Ricky in the clutch at times... those guys were left open and aren't great shooters but they are willing shooters... so if you get caught up you could always kick it to one of them for a kind of bad shot... instead of a turnover or terrible shot... and they were decent defenders so that whole side of the ball was a plus.
 
A large part of it is on Quin. Teams will trap our ball handlers or switch forcing the one on one stuff at the end of games. We also don't run our stuff really... which is partly on the players. I see us walking it up the court and dribbling to wind down the clock and try to get a shot... this is okay in the last minute or so... but we start our BS end game offense with like 8 minutes left. Its kind of wild.

We've also done some stuff that is a little regular season gimicky that doesn't translate in the playoffs. The bridge lineups that were so dominant was a huge regular season advantage... I think its a sound strategy to help get more regular season wins and manage the season. Only issue is when we use point differential and things like that to point to how amazing this team is... we have to realize there is some fat in there that will be cut out. Maybe other teams have their version of this too.

I honestly wonder sometimes if we were better with Jae and Ricky in the clutch at times... those guys were left open and aren't great shooters but they are willing shooters... so if you get caught up you could always kick it to one of them for a kind of bad shot... instead of a turnover or terrible shot... and they were decent defenders so that whole side of the ball was a plus.
I think our issues are 40% coaching, 40% front office, 10% Don, 10% rest of the closing unit.

Quin is not leading this team and hasn't adapted to a league that seems to have adapted to us.

The FO has not equipped Rudy and Don with the teammates necessary to win a title.

The rest of the closing unit can all do a bit more around the edges, but...

Don has the authority down the stretch and has played poorly of late.
 
I believe Royce has emerged as a key weakness in our closing lineup. His offense has always been limited, but his rebounding and defense have also declined significantly. It was only one game, but I don’t think it was a coincidence that we closed better with House on the floor against Phoenix.

As others have said, the problem is really with Quin not being willing or able to adjust his approach.
 
If you have all the players and coaches truth serum and made them asked them if they’d rather give the playoffs a run or lose in the play in and have a long summer vacation… what percentage of guys would pick the playoff run.

I get the feeling no one is enjoying this and everyone sees the end coming… feels like a recipe to mail it in.
 
So, with 4 games to go until the playoffs, we find ourselves 6th in the western conference, 2 games from being in the play-in, and we have lost 6 of our last 7 games. Ingles is gone, Gay is so bad that he's been pulled out of the rotation. Rumors about tensions between Rudy and Donovan are stronger than ever and now there are rumors that put Quin's future with the team in doubt. Oh, and one of the lone bright spots over the past several weeks has been Juancho Hernangomez...I'd say this season has pretty much gone according to plan.
 
I believe Royce has emerged as a key weakness in our closing lineup. His offense has always been limited, but his rebounding and defense have also declined significantly. It was only one game, but I don’t think it was a coincidence that we closed better with House on the floor against Phoenix.

As others have said, the problem is really with Quin not being willing or able to adjust his approach.

We closed better with House? In what way?

Feels like people have some imaginary idea in their head that House is our savior. He's been very good, but our problems go way deeper.

Royce has been a nice scapegoat for everyone's frustration this season, but he's really been such a small part of our issues for the amount of hate he gets.
 
That post was several days ago and referred to our win over Phoenix earlier this year. Obviously, closing with House didn’t get us the win last night, but I thought he played well earlier in the game.

I’ve always liked Royce and I hope he can turn things around somehow.
 
We closed better with House? In what way?

Feels like people have some imaginary idea in their head that House is our savior. He's been very good, but our problems go way deeper.

Royce has been a nice scapegoat for everyone's frustration this season, but he's really been such a small part of our issues for the amount of hate he gets.
While I agree to a point here it is just so easy to take Royce out of the play. He dies on literally every screen and is never there to rebound when Rudy covers for him. It's huge part of the problem with Gobert. If he shows he knows his man will roll and get to the basket unencumbered. If the shot is missed there is no one to rebound. That and royces reluctance to shoot an open shot handcuffs us on both ends.
 
While I agree to a point here it is just so easy to take Royce out of the play. He dies on literally every screen and is never there to rebound when Rudy covers for him. It's huge part of the problem with Gobert. If he shows he knows his man will roll and get to the basket unencumbered. If the shot is missed there is no one to rebound. That and royces reluctance to shoot an open shot handcuffs us on both ends.

If you look at the numbers his rebounding has actually been good in the clutch, but I completely agree that we could use more rebounding (Bogey is a terrible rebounder). His shooting aversion is Royce's biggest issue. Even then, he gets so few opportunities to even touch the ball it isn't close to the root cause of our melt downs.
 
The NBA needs to give the Jazz some recognition for giving other teams so many amazing moments this year. It's so exciting to make a come back and win a game you had no chance of winning. It's such a galvanizing moment for a team. We've provided that service for so many teams this year.

I've mentioned before that we are the Washington Generals of the NBA. So many amazing moments have happened at our expense. You are welcome NBA.

It's not much fun to be a fan of the Washington Generals. It does make things a little more predictable.
 
Between the Warriors game and the Suns game, Royce shot 1-for-9 for a grand total of 3 points. Maybe he's not the main problem, but he sure isn't part of the solution.

He's also shooting just 14% in the clutch this season.
 
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He's also shooting just 14% in the clutch this season.
Our offensive rating with House in the clutch is a 94.3 and defensive rating with House in the clutch is 130 (-35.7 net rating). Despite this, House has been fine, and has not been our problem in the clutch either.
 
Our offensive rating with House in the clutch is a 94.3 and defensive rating with House in the clutch is 130 (-35.7 net rating). Despite this, House has been fine, and has not been our problem in the clutch either.

Really small sample size. All I know is that right now he's defending much better than Royce, navigating screens better than anyone on the team, isn't afraid to shoot, and plays with great energy. I'd definitely rather close games with him in the playoffs. I think we're going to need his defense and his willingness to take a big shot down the stretch of playoff games.
 
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