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Does anyone still like this team?

LoPo said:
Thats why I took it back. I shouldnt have said it. I don't like making comments that are personal in nature.
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What?

You didn't take it back because it was personal in nature. You took it back because you were factually incorrect about your complaint. Prior to me posting the link, you even said you needed a link before you'd be willing to own up to it.

LoPo said:
It was probably the only non-basketball critique I have made on a player in years. Thanks for pointing it out and making it seem like I do it often.

Aren't you a gem...
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Truthfully I don't really know or care how often you make attacks on players that are personal in nature. I just recalled you doing it two days prior, in a thread where you were calling out other people for doing it, while claiming you don't do it. And that was funny to me.
 
fallenchicken said:
Can't trade mitchell just because espn guy says so. He has three years on his contract, and he won't become any less valuable if we trade him next summer instead of this one. If there is a Rudy Gobert trade that would allow us to do a quick retool around Mitchell, why not try. Unless a couple espn podcasts can turn the fanbase against Mitchell that easily, maybe we shouldn't even try. And we shouldn't bother ever having star players because the media will always say they are going to leave and the fanbase will panic. If we draft a guy who is a star again, it'll probably take five years, let's just trade him right away to maximize assets.

**** it let's just move the team.

Or you get a star and you do everything you can to maximize his time here and make it work, because you can only win with a star player in the nba and you won't get one very often. We give up Mitchell, we will be back in the post D-Will hell for five years. Just make sure you guys are ready for that.
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My favorite narrative is “if x happens move the team”.

Donovan is not bigger than the franchise. We will be fine. We don’t have to rebuild but if you decide that you need to trade Rudy the pieces you put around Donovan likely aren’t anything as good as the teams he’s already had here. Being stagnant ends up in him asking out in 12 months (if he doesn’t this summer already).

Every team goes through rebuilding periods. Recognizing one is coming and fully embracing the rebuild gives it the best chance to be successful and will shorten the rebuild time. The mistake the Kings, Pacers, Magic, Hornets and others make is not fully bottoming out. Knicks always short cut it or never quite sink low enough either.

You could be the next Memphis, Cleveland, or maybe you are Dallas and spend one year tanking and get a transcendent talent after one year.
 
You just don’t want to be a second half of the lottery team… which is what we become if Rudy is traded for parts. Look at the west. Donovan and a bunch of good players isn’t going to be enough to get you in the tier with Phoenix, Memphis, Clips, healthy Denver… Dallas should be a little better… NO and Minnesota will be better… Portland will be retooled… the Kings will suck but they will try real hard. Lakers? Who knows… but point is the west about to get a lot tougher.
 
The biggest mistake post dwill was not tearing the whole thing down… that half assed retool spun our wheels for years. Sell off Harris, Jefferson, Millsap and bottom out for a couple years.
 
MT Steve said:
What?

You didn't take it back because it was personal in nature. You took it back because you were factually incorrect about your complaint. Prior to me posting the link, you even said you needed a link before you'd be willing to own up to it.



Truthfully I don't really know or care how often you make attacks on players that are personal in nature. I just recalled you doing it two days prior, in a thread where you were calling out other people for doing it, while claiming you don't do it. And that was funny to me.
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I took it back because it was a personal comment and I was wrong.

You know that's called - personal responsibility. Look it up

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LoPo said:
I took it back because it was a personal comment and I was wrong.

You know that's called - personal responsibility. Look it up

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You know, I'd have a lot more respect for you if you were able to own up to mistakes without spinning it in a way to put down the people who called you out for being wrong.

"Okay I was wrong, but at least I have the humility to admit it, unlike you" isn't the show of humility you think it is.
 
The Jazz seem to buy high and sell low. If they can maximize value, increase player quality and compatibility, you make that trade.

I think Don has tons of talent, but he wants to be a ball dominant chucker. If he can't adjust to win, he should be traded. This year, I think he has taken D-Wade's advice to take care of his body to heart and to an extreme, and he isn't being as explosive. Great for long-term career at the expense of winning now, there should be more of a balance.

At this point, I see no future for this team as compiled. No one is uniting them. Blame coaches (my vote) or lack of player leadership, but changes are needed.
 
So what are the chances the Jazz trade Donovan to OKC? Is there reason to believe that they’re gonna keep trying to tank next year? At some point, they’re going to have to start cashing in chips and the pick we sent to offload Favors is almost a backbreaker.

Maybe they have to draft their big of the future before they pivot to cashing in. IDK, I just don’t see them being able to get away with trying so hard to lose anymore.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So what are the chances the Jazz trade Donovan to OKC? Is there reason to believe that they’re gonna keep trying to tank next year? At some point, they’re going to have to start cashing in chips and the pick we sent to offload Favors is almost a backbreaker.

Maybe they have to draft their big of the future before they pivot to cashing in. IDK, I just don’t see them being able to get away with trying so hard to lose anymore.
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I’m not sure but I would want their pick this year. Any deal we did this off-season involving Donovan we should be trying for a top-5 pick this year.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I’m not sure but I would want their pick this year. Any deal we did this off-season involving Donovan we should be trying for a top-5 pick this year.
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I can see that, but it wouldn’t be the worst thing to go for a full bottoming out. IDK.

Whatever it takes to get into the top of the draft basically ever. Kanter was a mulligan, every other time the Jazz have had a top-3 pick have been historic failures.
 
I will always love the Utah Jazz, but this iteration is a collection of soft chokers and a coach who enables them.

Trade your assets and rebuild as the DM/Rudy combo is never going to work. Whether it’s one or both, it’s a failed experiment.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I can see that, but it wouldn’t be the worst thing to go for a full bottoming out. IDK.

Whatever it takes to get into the top of the draft basically ever. Kanter was a mulligan, every other time the Jazz have had a top-3 pick have been historic failures.
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Yes, we need to rebuild for real this time. No kanter or exum draft picks
 
Can the Jazz trade Conley for 2 1sts? ......more like, have to trade him for 2 1sts knowing us :rolleyes:
 
MT Steve said:
You know, I'd have a lot more respect for you if you were able to own up to mistakes without spinning it in a way to put down the people who called you out for being wrong.

"Okay I was wrong, but at least I have the humility to admit it, unlike you" isn't the show of humility you think it is.
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I did that and you still keep bringing up my one Rudy comment like I do it all the time.

You're being a dick. Cut the ****.

Like I said before, go do something productive

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