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Does Deron Williams Choke In The Clutch?

You always have to take situational stats as a small sample size over a bigger picture. 100 minutes for a stat is kind of low, especially when Williams played somewhere near 2500.

That said, I think it's unwise to just toss aside the numbers as irrelevant. I think there is value to the numbers. It's just how much value you place on them. I do believe Williams had somewhat of a down year as far at late game play is concerned. Everyone will look at the highlights and forget the low lights, so throwing out the OKC game isn't helpful to the conversation, just like throwing out the Portland miss wouldn't be helpful.

I also the think the Jazz bog down late in games, running the shot clock down, then running the high pick and roll. Running the regular offense can get looks early in the shot clock, and the Jazz mentality (or any team's mentality; all teams do this) is to shorten the game. Makes the game more one on one, and I'm sure Deron's usage climbs significantly in these situations, thus lowering his efficiency.

In the end, I don't think it's a huge deal. Maybe just something to keep an eye on as the season progresses.
 
I think a possible flaw in the logic used by the author of that article is assuming that the last five minutes of the game are always "clutch time." Sure, there were probably several games that came down the final few possessions but I think on average, most games had probably been decided by that point. That's definitely not to say that Deron should be considered a 'closer' ala the likes of Kobe or Lebron. But I think its unfair to call him a choker because of a statistical drop off in the final five minutes of a 48 minute game.
 
The guy on the other forum pretty much undercuts the supposed significance of this article (if he's right, anyway):

1. It's Bleacher Report

2. Talk about small sample size, Deron played 100 minutes in "Clutch" time. Imagine taking a random three game sample from a players career and writing an article based solely on that information. Stupid

3. Deron's 08-09 "Clutch" stats:

32.8 points, 12.4 assists, 47.1 FG%, 86 FT% (144 minutes)

Also, defense generally toughens up near the end of close games. The fact that a player's scoring "goes down" to "only" 19.6pts/48 minutes, for example, doesn't exactly scream "CHOKE!"
 
And another thing, the drop in assist numbers could just as easily be attributed to his team mates inability to nail a corner three in clutch time.
 
I don't think there's an easy answer - Deron's a mixed bag in the clutch.

There are games where he totally takes over - like the nationally televised game in Portland when The Jazz were down by 20 at the half. In the last 5 minutes of the game and overtime he was easily the best player on the court on both sides of the floor.

Other times he tries to do too much in the clutch - like early in the season.

And there were times where he downright choked. Like the first two games of the Laker series. Both of those games were winnable if he played up to his capabilities the 4th period.
 
The fact that Deron only played 100 minutes in so-called "clutch time," coupled with the fact that the Jazz won 53 games, tells you something too, don't it? In 82 games, that's only a little more than 1 minute per game where the score was close in the last 5 minutes. If your team generally has a big lead near the end of the game, maybe you played pretty "clutch" in all those games, which never even get counted, eh?
 
Four minutes left, Jazz up by 4, Deron misses a shot, steals the ball, but his momentum carries him out of bounds. Result 1 turnover, 0% shootin durin "clutch time," so far. Price steals the inbounds pass and dunks. Jazz up 6, end of clutch time. Deron, still pissed, scores 13 points on 100% shootin to end the game, Jazz win by 20. Purty bad "clutch time" performance, right there, know what I'm sayin?
 
The fact that Deron only played 100 minutes in so-called "clutch time," coupled with the fact that the Jazz won 53 games, tells you something too, don't it? In 82 games, that's only a little more than 1 minute per game where the score was close in the last 5 minutes. If your team generally has a big lead near the end of the game, maybe you played pretty "clutch" in all those games, which never even get counted, eh?

That's very similar to my "Steve Young vs Joe Montana" argument, which I made (in favor of Steve Young) to 49er fans who kept on bringing up how great Joe Montana was in the last 2 minutes.
 
I don't think there's an easy answer - Deron's a mixed bag in the clutch.

No player is at his best all the time. After everyone was talkin about how great of a "clutch player" Kobe was this year, someone went back and did some research. They found that in the last 10 years Kobe had taken 56 "game on the line" shots. Those were defined as a shot with less than 20 seconds left which, if made, would either give his team the lead, or tie the game.

Turns out, he only made 14 of them--25%.
 
I've seen Deron come through more often in crunch time than many of the league's superstars since he's been in the league. I don't want the ball in anyone elses hands if the game is on the line, ever.
 
anyonethat says dwill isnt clutch is a plain idiot. Maybe they should write an article about how cp3 aint clutch. ALl you gotta watch is the 04-05 illini game against zone when he lead them back down 15 with 3 minutes left. Dude was so calm shooting 3s to come back. What a joke of an article but thanx for posting
 
I don't think there's an easy answer - Deron's a mixed bag in the clutch.

There are games where he totally takes over - like the nationally televised game in Portland when The Jazz were down by 20 at the half. In the last 5 minutes of the game and overtime he was easily the best player on the court on both sides of the floor.

Other times he tries to do too much in the clutch - like early in the season.

And there were times where he downright choked. Like the first two games of the Laker series. Both of those games were winnable if he played up to his capabilities the 4th period.
man he carried them 3 quarters of both of those games and noone else can step up. If dwill wasnt going hard first 3 quarters then it would of been a blowout by the 4th..Get real dude did you even watch the game?
 
man he carried them 3 quarters of both of those games and noone else can step up. If dwill wasnt going hard first 3 quarters then it would of been a blowout by the 4th..Get real dude did you even watch the game?

My recollection aint real good, but here's how I kinda remember it: Deron's first year was OK, but not particularly impressive. He only played part time, and he fought with Sloan the other part (not exclusively, but, ya know what I mean, eh?).

Second year, much better, maybe one of top 5 in the conference at point guard, but Boozer was still the main focus on the team and the "team leader" (not countin Fish, of course). Then comes the conference finals against the Spurs. Overall, Boozer did pretty well, but most of the rest seem to play very tenatively and scared. Deron had seen enough and really began to assert himself in that whole series. His production suddenly increased BIGTIME. He was probably the best player on the floor, for either team, over the course of the series.

Third year: Deron now has some time in, has gained Sloan's trust and they quit squabblin. Deron now has a little more street cred with his team-mates, especially after the role he played in the conference finals.

From there on out, when the Jazz game up a particularly tough opponent in the playoffs (the Lakers, that is), too many players went soft. Deron never did (nor did certain others, like the Paperboy). But the softer his team-mates play, the more Deron has to try to do by himself, or with little help doin it.

This year, things look so much better in that regard. Lazy-*** Boozer is gone. Bell is here. Jefferson is here. The better other players play, the more effort they give, the more they try to do their part, the more focused they stay, the less Deron "has" to be the "clutch player" who saves (or perhaps blows it for) them. And that would be a good thing.
 
There's no PG I'd rather have taking the final shot than Deron (insert Sundiata joke here). Some guys have what it takes to take and make big shots, others don't. Deron has it.

Clutch plays (that I can think of):
NCAA Regional Final-3pter in final 30 sec to send game to OT
06-07
Suns-5 straight pts to send game into OT, hit jumper in final minute to put Utah up 3
Lakers-hit go-ahead 3 in OT, then 20-foot jumper in final min to put Utah up for good
at Knicks-step-back jumper to give Utah 1-pt lead with less than 5 sec left in OT (until Marbury raced length of court for buzzer-beater)
Cavs-literally carried Jazz (w/out Boozer) down stretch, kept getting Varaejo 1-on-1 matchup and crossing him up scoring
at Suns-crossover on Amare and floater in final minute to give Utah lead
Warriors Game 2 - game-tying jumper in final 5 seconds to send game to OT
07-08
Cavs-coast-to-coast layup at buzzer
at Nuggetts-3pt in final 30 sec to send game to OT
at Mavs-game-tying 3pter in final 10 seconds (until we left Nowitzki wide-open in transition)
Game 4 vs Rockets - after Rockets cut huge Jazz lead to 2 late in 4th, threw down dunk on Battier then layup on nxt possession
Game 4 vs Lakers - spin move on Fish and fadeaway over Gasol to give Jazz 3pt lead in final minute
08-09
at Kings-jumper and 3pt play in final 2 minutes to give Jazz lead
at Pistons-fadeaway jumper to give Jazz lead in final seconds of OT
Celtics-crossover/stepback jumper on Ray Allen to put Jazz up 3 in final minute
Suns-crossover/stepback jumper on Steve Nash to tie game in final 10 seconds
Game 3 vs. Lakers-gamewinner vs. Fisher
 
There's no PG I'd rather have taking the final shot than Deron (insert Sundiata joke here). Some guys have what it takes to take and make big shots, others don't. Deron has it.

Clutch plays (that I can think of):
NCAA Regional Final-3pter in final 30 sec to send game to OT
06-07
Suns-5 straight pts to send game into OT, hit jumper in final minute to put Utah up 3
Lakers-hit go-ahead 3 in OT, then 20-foot jumper in final min to put Utah up for good
at Knicks-step-back jumper to give Utah 1-pt lead with less than 5 sec left in OT (until Marbury raced length of court for buzzer-beater)
Cavs-literally carried Jazz (w/out Boozer) down stretch, kept getting Varaejo 1-on-1 matchup and crossing him up scoring
at Suns-crossover on Amare and floater in final minute to give Utah lead
Warriors Game 2 - game-tying jumper in final 5 seconds to send game to OT
07-08
Cavs-coast-to-coast layup at buzzer
at Nuggetts-3pt in final 30 sec to send game to OT
at Mavs-game-tying 3pter in final 10 seconds (until we left Nowitzki wide-open in transition)
Game 4 vs Rockets - after Rockets cut huge Jazz lead to 2 late in 4th, threw down dunk on Battier then layup on nxt possession
Game 4 vs Lakers - spin move on Fish and fadeaway over Gasol to give Jazz 3pt lead in final minute
08-09
at Kings-jumper and 3pt play in final 2 minutes to give Jazz lead
at Pistons-fadeaway jumper to give Jazz lead in final seconds of OT
Celtics-crossover/stepback jumper on Ray Allen to put Jazz up 3 in final minute
Suns-crossover/stepback jumper on Steve Nash to tie game in final 10 seconds
Game 3 vs. Lakers-gamewinner vs. Fisher

Now, in contrast, you need to post all the times Deron did not make the play in the final seconds.

But you don't remember them, do you? So there's not way of getting a percentage is there?
 
There's no PG I'd rather have taking the final shot than Deron (insert Sundiata joke here). Some guys have what it takes to take and make big shots, others don't. Deron has it.

Clutch plays (that I can think of):
NCAA Regional Final-3pter in final 30 sec to send game to OT
06-07
Suns-5 straight pts to send game into OT, hit jumper in final minute to put Utah up 3
Lakers-hit go-ahead 3 in OT, then 20-foot jumper in final min to put Utah up for good
at Knicks-step-back jumper to give Utah 1-pt lead with less than 5 sec left in OT (until Marbury raced length of court for buzzer-beater)
Cavs-literally carried Jazz (w/out Boozer) down stretch, kept getting Varaejo 1-on-1 matchup and crossing him up scoring
at Suns-crossover on Amare and floater in final minute to give Utah lead
Warriors Game 2 - game-tying jumper in final 5 seconds to send game to OT
07-08
Cavs-coast-to-coast layup at buzzer
at Nuggetts-3pt in final 30 sec to send game to OT
at Mavs-game-tying 3pter in final 10 seconds (until we left Nowitzki wide-open in transition)
Game 4 vs Rockets - after Rockets cut huge Jazz lead to 2 late in 4th, threw down dunk on Battier then layup on nxt possession
Game 4 vs Lakers - spin move on Fish and fadeaway over Gasol to give Jazz 3pt lead in final minute
08-09
at Kings-jumper and 3pt play in final 2 minutes to give Jazz lead
at Pistons-fadeaway jumper to give Jazz lead in final seconds of OT
Celtics-crossover/stepback jumper on Ray Allen to put Jazz up 3 in final minute
Suns-crossover/stepback jumper on Steve Nash to tie game in final 10 seconds
Game 3 vs. Lakers-gamewinner vs. Fisher

Now, in contrast, you need to post all the times Deron did not make the play in the final seconds.

But you don't remember them, do you? So there's not way of getting a percentage is there?
 
Now, in contrast, you need to post all the times Deron did not make the play in the final seconds.

But you don't remember them, do you? So there's not way of getting a percentage is there?

You can say this exact same thing about Kobe or MJ. we all remember the game winers but how many last second shots did they miss though out there carrier. (Its a lot by the way).
 
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