DoL on 1280

[Stoked]

In this scenario, how are we moving up?

Cotton, Johnson, Pliess, Neto, cash and about 15 picks over the next few years.

Say cash, Pliess, Johnson, 2 second rounders, Jazz 2015 first, OKC 2018 first and Jazz 2017 first?

That still leaves utah with their own 2016 first, 2017 GSW first and Jazz 2018 first.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

If Ingles is getting a consistent 20 minutes a game next year, we have a problem.

I think u are still in early season slow mo joe mode. Second half of the season slow mo joe shot 40% from three and was so much more versatile as far as catch and shoot and off the dribble. Ingles will be a great glue guy coming off the bench. It took a while but he adapted quite nicely to the nba.

DoL probably takes blame for the Trey pick, as he should, the buck stops with him. Corbin, theoretically, spent the year coaching the team, it was up to DoL and his staff to handle the scouting for the draft. So to let Ty come in and override the whole scouting dept doesn't make sense to me. My guess is that DoL liked him as well. That's not a stretch, considering how 90% of this board was hot after Trey too. It was only the prescient few such as I who called it that Trey would be Jameer Nelson at best. Dang I'm good.

Having said that, I'm pulling for Trey to make a big leap.

Didnt KOC have something to do with getting Burke?

Well if the Jazz trade Burke for a vet PG, bring over Tomic, move up in the draft and bring back Cotton, Ingles and Millsap I'll be fine if Carroll doesn't come back to Utah v

So many possibilities.

At this point I don't think there is a big need to sign a wing like Carroll as he wouldn't start and that's what he wanted, plus he's been here and done us and it didn't work out. He's moved on just like all your ex girl friends

 

[green]

Prediction: Someone is going to overpay for Carroll and he'll take the money and run. It won'd be the Jazz.

I think it is NY Knicks

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Cotton, Johnson, Pliess, Neto, cash and about 15 picks over the next few years.

Say cash, Pliess, Johnson, 2 second rounders, Jazz 2015 first, OKC 2018 first and Jazz 2017 first?

That still leaves utah with their own 2016 first, 2017 GSW first and Jazz 2018 first.

If DL can leverage that crap into a higher pick (more than a spot or two) in this year's draft not only is he an incredible GM, but the trade partner he finds is a complete dunce. We have a better chance of winning the lottery than in moving up by handing off that sort of stuff.

 

[Stoked]

If DL can leverage that crap into a higher pick (more than a spot or two) in this year's draft not only is he an incredible GM, but the trade partner he finds is a complete dunce. We have a better chance of winning the lottery than in moving up by handing off that sort of stuff.

Multiple first rounders? Is there perhaps a team that we can do a combined trade?

Burke, first rounders, cash, 2nd rounders and Millsap?

For a vet back up PG and a higher pick?

 

[Coach Ellis]

A.) I'm hoping Tomic comes over because I think he's a perfect fit for this group behind Gobert. Especially if they can get him for around $3-4 million per year on a standard 3 year contract. That's an absolute steal for the Jazz. I think he'd get a LOT more if he were on the open market and could negotiate with multiple NBA teams.

B.) I want them to trade up in this year's draft. I think that they're right outside the cusp of the impact players, but they have the assets to make a move. Give me a top 10 wing to grow with the Core - especially someone who can backup Hayward. In almost game he missed, they Jazz were severely short handed on the wing. Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson (even Oubre) would help fill out this roster tremendously.

C.) Figure out what to do with Burke/Burks/Hood. I actually like Trey, but I'm kind of hoping that he gets moved in the aforementioned trade up for a wing. If that happens, then it would allow the Jazz to play Hood in the starting lineup (which worked well to close out the year) and also move Burks into the role that Burke filled last year. I think that Burks would be DEADLY in that role. He's better than Trey at just about everything, and I think Quin would help maximize his strengths when he's out there.

D.) If all of those things happen, the Jazz would still have more than enough cap space ($10+ million before making any moves) to go after a mid-level free agent (even if they overpay them somewhat.) If Burks is getting the bulk of his minutes at the 1, then I'd look long and hard at trying to get either Danny Green or DeMarre Carroll. Both guys would fit into the starting offense (pushing Hood to the bench) and they're GREAT fits for what Quin Snyder is building. Carroll has a history to the organization and the coach.

Starting lineup - Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Carroll/Green and Exum.
Bench - Tomic, Booker, 2015 wing (Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson), Hood, Burks, Jingles, Millsap and Cotton.

That's a solid team with 13 spots filled, and they still (likely) have Pleiss, Cooley, Neto, Johnson, Motum, any 2nd round picks used and/or free agents left to fill the last 2 spots.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Multiple first rounders? Is there perhaps a team that we can do a combined trade?

Burke, first rounders, cash, 2nd rounders and Millsap?

For a vet back up PG and a higher pick?

Yes, but our first rounders are going to be late picks and I think everybody knows it. Early second rounders are often more valuable than late first rounders. I hope you're right, and I hadn't considered the possibility of a third team involved. It just seems to me that to get a top pick out of someone it's going to take a combination of our first rounder and a Burks level asset. If we could talk a third team into supplying the Burks level asset in return for a couple of our lower level assets maybe that would work. Jazzland would be celebrating!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

A.) I'm hoping Tomic comes over because I think he's a perfect fit for this group behind Gobert. Especially if they can get him for around $3-4 million per year on a standard 3 year contract. That's an absolute steal for the Jazz. I think he'd get a LOT more if he were on the open market and could negotiate with multiple NBA teams.

B.) I want them to trade up in this year's draft. I think that they're right outside the cusp of the impact players, but they have the assets to make a move. Give me a top 10 wing to grow with the Core - especially someone who can backup Hayward. In almost game he missed, they Jazz were severely short handed on the wing. Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson (even Oubre) would help fill out this roster tremendously.

C.) Figure out what to do with Burke/Burks/Hood. I actually like Trey, but I'm kind of hoping that he gets moved in the aforementioned trade up for a wing. If that happens, then it would allow the Jazz to play Hood in the starting lineup (which worked well to close out the year) and also move Burks into the role that Burke filled last year. I think that Burks would be DEADLY in that role. He's better than Trey at just about everything, and I think Quin would help maximize his strengths when he's out there.

D.) If all of those things happen, the Jazz would still have more than enough cap space ($10+ million before making any moves) to go after a mid-level free agent (even if they overpay them somewhat.) If Burks is getting the bulk of his minutes at the 1, then I'd look long and hard at trying to get either Danny Green or DeMarre Carroll. Both guys would fit into the starting offense (pushing Hood to the bench) and they're GREAT fits for what Quin Snyder is building. Carroll has a history to the organization and the coach.

Starting lineup - Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Carroll/Green and Exum.
Bench - Tomic, Booker, 2015 wing (Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson), Hood, Burks, Jingles, Millsap and Cotton.

That's a solid team with 13 spots filled, and they still (likely) have Pleiss, Cooley, Neto, Johnson, Motum, any 2nd round picks used and/or free agents left to fill the last 2 spots.

I think most people are in agreement on A, B and C. Not so sold on D (in which you contradict some of the plans you made in C, anyway.)

 

[Coach Ellis]

I think most people are in agreement on A, B and C. Not so sold on D (in which you contradict some of the plans you made in C, anyway.)

The big difference between C and D is Hood out of the starting lineup. TBH, I'd LOVE to have DeMarre Carroll back. I do t think his ego is so big that he'd have to start if it was in the team's best interest to have him play off the bench. Hayward, Hood and Exum, with Carroll, the rookie Wing/Jingles and Burks off the bench. . . that's a pretty badass group of players. Very Spurs/Hawks like in its construction.

 

[Ellipse]

The big difference between C and D is Hood out of the starting lineup. TBH, I'd LOVE to have DeMarre Carroll back. I do t think his ego is so big that he'd have to start if it was in the team's best interest to have him play off the bench. Hayward, Hood and Exum, with Carroll, the rookie Wing/Jingles and Burks off the bench. . . that's a pretty badass group of players. Very Spurs/Hawks like in its construction.

Quite a few on JazzFanz want to see Carroll back; I disagree. It seems there is a synergy that exists between a franchise and a player, which breaks when they part ways and it doesn't return if they reunite in the future. I liked Blue Edwards during his first stint with the Jazz, not so much on his second. Thurl Bailey? Loved him during his first stint, meh on his second. Same with Mo Williams. And then there is the infamous Raja Bell...
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It doesn't seem to matter how much we like a player, once they leave, we are better off leaving them in our review mirror.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Since becoming the GM, DoL hasn't been active. He has been hyper active. I expect another summer of fireworks. Anything less than 40 free agents scrubs and three players traded will be a disappointment. If the jazz keep all three draft picks I will be stunned.

LOL! I was already formulating a response to that as I reached the first period. Then you got me with the second sentence. Well done! And I agree with Stoked; it would be fun to be in the FO. Jazz have some good players and a lot of picks; I'm sure a number of teams approach them about different trade scenarios.

I'm actually going to predict the Jazz are relatively quiet this off-season. Utah has a great young core. Outside of Trey, I'm hoping the rest all come back. I've been somewhat critical of Booker; I think the Jazz need a better shooter at the 4, given their center rotation of Gobert/Favors. But how do you trade or not pick up the option on a guy that has been the emotional heart and soul of the team? Hood? We'd regret letting him go; he's going to be Korver-lite on his 3's and he can also score inside the paint. No disrespect to Burks - I'm not going to kick a guy when he's hurt - but, IMO, Rodney is more valuable in Quin's system than Alec.

Burke is the only one I'd like to see traded. Jazz need better production from the 1. Burke is WAY too inefficient. He doesn't get anyone involved except himself.

I see DL considering a bunch of options, but ultimately bringing over Tomic or Pleiss as the backup 5, drafting a forward, and trying to punt our 2nd's to the future (or draft/stash Euros).

 

[Stifle Tower]

At this point I don't think there is a big need to sign a wing like Carroll as he wouldn't start and that's what he wanted, plus he's been here and done us and it didn't work out. He's moved on just like all your ex girl friends

If it weren't for the Quin connection, I'd say the Jazz had little chance of getting him back. Carroll could fit in nicely with Utah. Unlike others who left/came back, Carroll is a much better player now. Others (Bailey, Bell, Eaton, etc.) were well on the downside of their careers. DMC is a "3 and D" player, which is exactly what Quin wants. However, I think the emergence of Hood has changed their plans. They still like Alec and committed to him in a big way with the $10M/per contract. Hayward isn't going anywhere...at least for another couple of seasons.

The ONLY way I'd see this happening is if there were a Hood/Burke deal for a very good veteran PG. Then the Jazz could go after DMC. But I think there's a very remote chance of those two things aligning. Besides, I like Hood on a rookie salary a lot more than DMC on a huge 4-yr contract.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

With or without Quin no chance he comes even if he wants to play for Quin we have three guys ahead of him


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