DutchJazzer
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still a bteter cnaiddate then killary and sozialist bernie
Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
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still a bteter cnaiddate then killary and sozialist bernie
DutchJazzer
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https://www.vox.com/2017/6/8/15749592/trump-tax-evasion
lolz at fox, they see the MUH RUSSIA narrative is falling apart so they have this headline
There’s so much more about Trump to investigate than just Russia
Tax evasion, fraud, misuse of charitable funds...
just keep throwing **** at the wall see what's stick! this is just a witchhunt!
like they are desperately searching for a crime. this is beyond ridiculous.
maybe they can arrest and impeach trump for jay walkin in about 7 years and 5 months!
lolz at fox, they see the MUH RUSSIA narrative is falling apart so they have this headline
There’s so much more about Trump to investigate than just Russia
Tax evasion, fraud, misuse of charitable funds...
just keep throwing **** at the wall see what's stick! this is just a witchhunt!
like they are desperately searching for a crime. this is beyond ridiculous.
maybe they can arrest and impeach trump for jay walkin in about 7 years and 5 months!
Not the case.
Can't he use executive privilege (I think that's what it is called) and deny the subpoena?
The Thriller
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Yes and No.
Yes, it can deny a subpoena and can act temporarily to save Donald from further embarrassment. However, the SC has the final say. The judicial branch can overrule the executive privilege.
That's what happened with Nixon and his tapes. Originally he tried to prevent their release through executive privilege. Then, The courts overruled him forcing him to release the tapes. The floodgates opened after the release of the tapes. They showed that Nixon definitely knew of the watergate break in and attempted to prevent law enforcement from finding out. The final nail in the coffin was the release of tapes that showed a deleted 18 min gap. Obviously, the information was so damning that Nixon tampered with the tapes to exclude this recorded portion.
People forget, it took over one year to investigate and indict Nixon. He only resigned when members of his own party personally marched into the White House and told him to. Think Trump will be any different?
Yesterday was only the beginning. The ugly tumor in the White House will probably persist for another year before members of his own party are fed up with him. Another potential scenario would take place after the midterms when democrats recapture the house and begin impeachment proceedings. Either way, trump is cooked. With such a low approval rating and republicans being dragged down with him, it's only a matter of time before his presidency is forcefully terminated; either (a) through his own party or (b) by democrats after the midterms.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/qa-executive-privilege-block-comey-testimony-47798568
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Zombie
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I agree about the long time table before this thing gets wrapped up. I think the accelerated news cycle as well as Trumps general incompetence and self incrimination mean this investigation probably won't take as long as Watergate did though.
I am happy to see that there are cracks beginning to show with regards to Republican support for Trump.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/se...ral&utm_campaign=im&utm_tracker=1737131x84899
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Yes! He should say this Trumpophobia media FAKE OUTRAGE is beyond stupid an point his finger right back to Comey's failures an how this was aREQUEST by the DOJ. Trump is a hero for defending the Constitution!
What? There were, and continue to be, massive cracks in the Rs support for him since the day he announced his candidacy. Sen McCain, Powell, Romney, the Bush family, Sen. Pressler, rep Shays, Sen. Warner, Huntsman, former RNC chair Steele, rep Dent, rep Kinzinger, rep Coffman...
Some of these openly endorsed Clinton in the general election.
Edit: It might be more accurate to say "cracks among his supporters" but the Rs as a whole are far from unified in respects to this President.
It would usually be better for him not to say anything. I've never seen anyone who is as good at being his own worst enemy. It's incredible.
Zombie
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I should have been more specific, I was referring to congressional support. Public opposition to Trump has been pretty much non existent among congressional Republicans. They are the only ones who matter with regards to the possibility of removing Trump from office. They are starting to feel the pinch of his low approval numbers.
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The Thriller
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Too late.
This morning he took to his favorite means of communication and in 200 or so characters called Comey a liar AND claimed that Comey's testimony vindicated him (Trump).
Apparently Donald still can't decide which lane to drive in. Is Comey a liar or an honest person who offered testimony to exonerate him?
The Thriller
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Correct
Recent Polls this week have shown trump's support drop by 1/3rd among his most ardent supporters. Look for him to change the narrative to terrorism and infrastructure (privatization of public roads and monuments). However, can trump remain focused on those issues long enough without tweeting out against some comedian or foreign mayor? Doubt it.
If/once Trumpcare fails in the senate this month, look for his support to drop even further. Without Trumpcare passing tax reform will be dead.
Then what? What remains on the agenda? A damn wall that no one wants?
At that point congressional GOP support for him could begin to erode. We all know paul Ryan continues this facade in order to destroy Obamacare and ramrod tax cuts for the rich down America's throat. If his major agenda items are ruined, what's the point in staying in this toxic relationship?
Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny as well.
The Thriller
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Something to look forward to will be the investigation. In watergate, the initial arrests revealed nothing more than a petty Robbery gone wrong. However, like untangling Christmas lights after thanksgiving, more and more people leaked information and in order to save themselves they cut deals. These deals revealed more information and exposed more people. These people, in order to save themselves cur deals. If memory serves, Nixon attempted to offer John Dean and Chuck Colton as sacrificial lambs to satisfy prosecutors. It didn't work. Finally, in his desperation he fired the special prosecutor investigating watergate. The AG resigned in protest. That made it clear how guilty Nixon was.
How will trump react?
If pressure is kept up we'll see! Will he continue to butt heads with sessions? Will he continue to lash out at the media? Will he start a war? Will he call for his followers to intimidate or kill prosecutors?
He's already attempting to brand Comey a traitor by "leaking" his private memos that didn't contain anything classified. What else will our wannabe autocratic leader do in desperation to save his own neck?
How will trump react?
If pressure is kept up we'll see! Will he continue to butt heads with sessions? Will he continue to lash out at the media? Will he start a war? Will he call for his followers to intimidate or kill prosecutors?
He's already attempting to brand Comey a traitor by "leaking" his private memos that didn't contain anything classified. What else will our wannabe autocratic leader do in desperation to save his own neck?
Zombie
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His lawyer is doing him absolutely no favors. He's defending Trump as though he's litigating a New York real estate case, going on the offensive, attacking Comey etc. That strategy will backfire hard if it continues. There are already some rumblings that his filing of a complaint to the DOJ about Comeys "leak" constitutes further obstruction.
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Red
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There were so many dramatic moments in Comey's testimony yesterday, but I thought this Post piece zeroed in on one that certainly caught my attention:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...50d0b15f83b_story.html?utm_term=.faaab2e48077
There will be much for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to unpack after this last week’s momentous testimony of James B. Comey: Did President Trump’s actions amount to obstruction of justice? Did Attorney General Jeff Sessions violate his recusal from the Russia probe? Should Comey have acted sooner?
But such legal considerations, though important, miss the real significance of Comey’s testimony heard-’round-the-world. In the three hours I sat transfixed in Room 216 of the Hart Building, 15 feet behind the fired FBI director, the line that chilled me more than any other was Comey’s account of why he wrote extensive, real-time notes of his conversations with Trump. “The nature of the person,” Comey explained in part. “I was honestly concerned that he might lie about the nature of our meeting, and so I thought it really important to document.”
The nature of the person.
This was the essence of Comey’s testimony: that the president of the United States is at his core a dishonest and untrustworthy man. It was judgment on character, not a legal opinion, and even Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee made no real attempt to dispel it.
By itself, it’s neither a high crime nor a misdemeanor for a president to be dishonorable. But it’s a stain on the country, and it defines this moment. This is why Trump can’t get legislation through the Congress or get allies to cooperate, and why so many worry that he will disregard constitutional restraints. The president is not to be trusted.
The Founders did not anticipate this, a defect not just of private misconduct (which we’ve seen before) but of public character. “The process of election affords a moral certainty,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 68, “that the office of president will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single state; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of president of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue.”
But the moral certainty of the Enlightenment broke down with the election of something more medieval. When Sen. Angus King, the Maine independent, asked Comey whether he took as a directive Trump’s expressed “hope” that Comey drop the FBI’s probe of ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn, Comey reached back to the words of 12th-century autocrat Henry II that led to the murder of Archbishop Thomas Becket. “Yes,” Comey said, “it rings in my ear as kind of, ‘Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’ ”
The former FBI chief and top official in the George W. Bush Justice Department was unsparing in his challenge to Trump’s character, saying that Trump’s administration “chose to defame me” and the FBI with “lies, plain and simple.” Comey noted that he never felt the need to document his conversations with Presidents Bush or Barack Obama, telling Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), again, that he got “a gut feeling” about Trump “and the nature of the person that I was interacting with and my read of that person.”
Republicans on and off the panel largely accept Comey’s assessment of Trump’s character. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) suggested that “the president’s new at this” and “probably wasn’t steeped in the long-running protocols.” But, he added, “I’m not saying it’s an acceptable excuse.”
Republicans on the committee defended Trump on some technical points but not on matters of integrity. Sen. James E. Risch (R-Idaho) called Comey’s testimony “as good as it gets” for legal writing and accepted that “we know exactly what happened” between him and Trump. Collins said Trump “never should have cleared the room, and he never should have asked you, as you reported, to let it go — to let the investigation go.”
Trump is growing lonely in his protestations of his own probity. Friday morning he inexplicably claimed “total and complete vindication.” Trump’s spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders vouched that “the president is not a liar. I think it’s frankly insulting that that question would be asked.”
No, what’s insulting — to America — is that the question doesn’t need to be asked. Comey, until last month the nation’s top lawman, confirmed what we already knew.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...50d0b15f83b_story.html?utm_term=.faaab2e48077
There will be much for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to unpack after this last week’s momentous testimony of James B. Comey: Did President Trump’s actions amount to obstruction of justice? Did Attorney General Jeff Sessions violate his recusal from the Russia probe? Should Comey have acted sooner?
But such legal considerations, though important, miss the real significance of Comey’s testimony heard-’round-the-world. In the three hours I sat transfixed in Room 216 of the Hart Building, 15 feet behind the fired FBI director, the line that chilled me more than any other was Comey’s account of why he wrote extensive, real-time notes of his conversations with Trump. “The nature of the person,” Comey explained in part. “I was honestly concerned that he might lie about the nature of our meeting, and so I thought it really important to document.”
The nature of the person.
This was the essence of Comey’s testimony: that the president of the United States is at his core a dishonest and untrustworthy man. It was judgment on character, not a legal opinion, and even Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee made no real attempt to dispel it.
By itself, it’s neither a high crime nor a misdemeanor for a president to be dishonorable. But it’s a stain on the country, and it defines this moment. This is why Trump can’t get legislation through the Congress or get allies to cooperate, and why so many worry that he will disregard constitutional restraints. The president is not to be trusted.
The Founders did not anticipate this, a defect not just of private misconduct (which we’ve seen before) but of public character. “The process of election affords a moral certainty,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 68, “that the office of president will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single state; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of president of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue.”
But the moral certainty of the Enlightenment broke down with the election of something more medieval. When Sen. Angus King, the Maine independent, asked Comey whether he took as a directive Trump’s expressed “hope” that Comey drop the FBI’s probe of ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn, Comey reached back to the words of 12th-century autocrat Henry II that led to the murder of Archbishop Thomas Becket. “Yes,” Comey said, “it rings in my ear as kind of, ‘Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?’ ”
The former FBI chief and top official in the George W. Bush Justice Department was unsparing in his challenge to Trump’s character, saying that Trump’s administration “chose to defame me” and the FBI with “lies, plain and simple.” Comey noted that he never felt the need to document his conversations with Presidents Bush or Barack Obama, telling Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), again, that he got “a gut feeling” about Trump “and the nature of the person that I was interacting with and my read of that person.”
Republicans on and off the panel largely accept Comey’s assessment of Trump’s character. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) suggested that “the president’s new at this” and “probably wasn’t steeped in the long-running protocols.” But, he added, “I’m not saying it’s an acceptable excuse.”
Republicans on the committee defended Trump on some technical points but not on matters of integrity. Sen. James E. Risch (R-Idaho) called Comey’s testimony “as good as it gets” for legal writing and accepted that “we know exactly what happened” between him and Trump. Collins said Trump “never should have cleared the room, and he never should have asked you, as you reported, to let it go — to let the investigation go.”
Trump is growing lonely in his protestations of his own probity. Friday morning he inexplicably claimed “total and complete vindication.” Trump’s spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders vouched that “the president is not a liar. I think it’s frankly insulting that that question would be asked.”
No, what’s insulting — to America — is that the question doesn’t need to be asked. Comey, until last month the nation’s top lawman, confirmed what we already knew.
DutchJazzer
Banned
Quick question.
If Trump did something good would any of you actually praise him?
Seems like you would still find something to bitch about, tbh.
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If Trump did something good would any of you actually praise him?
Seems like you would still find something to bitch about, tbh.
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