Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking
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The Thriller
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This is a very good post.
You are correct.
I truly wonder if those accusing Clinton as being "so dishonest" and comparing her to Trump (which isn't an accurate comparison as I will show) are truly letting data guide their opinions? Much like supply-side economics and climate change, it is as if one side has closed their minds to facts after being bombarded for years with a certain narrative.
Although this isn't as comprehensive as what a colleague of mine has, this simple one will suffice:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
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One can easily see which candidate was more honest.
The most powerful findings are in the following list
Clinton has nearly 4x as many "True" statements as Trump.
- Clinton has 29 "False" statements compared to Trump's 134.
- Trump has 65 "Pants on Fire" statements compared to Clinton's 7.
Furthermore, look at the politfact record of the GOP primary. Trump was clearly the biggest liar, followed by Cruz and Carson (Rubio was fairly honest).
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...ct-checking-2016-gop-presidential-candidates/
Nothing really stands out for the DNC's candidates:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...hecking-2016-democratic-presidential-candida/
So I guess the question remains, are we letting data guide our opinions? Those who claim that Clinton was in the same zip code as Trump in terms of lying must be one of those on 5th ave who witness Trump's slaying of innocents and still will vote for him.
Recently, a pro-Trump neighbor talked to me. They said that although they voted for Trump, they would've voted for Sanders had he been the nominee. How is that possible considering that Sander's agenda would've been the opposite of Trump's? So was this neighbor basing his political views on a candidate's views and agenda? Or had his view of Clinton been tainted so badly over her 20+ year career that voting for her was never considered an option?
If Elizabeth Warren runs in 2020, what will her reception be? Especially when you consider her views to be far left of Clinton's?
The Thriller
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Rosenstein says that it's his call and he won't.
However, because the special counsel regulation expired in 1999, Trump is the one with final say. He could easily fire Mueller today and dare Congress to reappoint him. Think this Congress will? lol...
We are nearing a constitutional crisis and it seems like Trumpetiers have no problem with it. The far right has always had an affinity for authoritarian rule. It has really manifested itself over the past year. From attacks on minorities to blatant attacks on our constitution. The fact that all republicans in the Congress are supporting blatant abuses of power and justifying Trump's behavior is appalling. The fact that most Republicans in the nation are ignoring it, speaks volumes as to how delicate and fragile democracy is.
What exactly is the solution? The problems are so complex and so deep seated. From intolerant evangelical racists, like David Duke, Jerry Falwell, and James Dobson to radio hosts like Limbaugh and Savage, to Fox News, to rich anti-government donors like the Koch bros. The radical right is out of control and needs a complete reformation. But where to start?
Joe Bagadonuts
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I cannot believe how far off the rails you have gone. You're an intelligent guy who has become completely overwhelmed by an unhealthy obsession. Quit following the media so closely, take a walk in the woods(a lot of walks). You'll be amazed at how much better it will make you feel.
If you really are convinced that the Apocalypse is upon us unless you do something then why don't you invest all of this anger and energy into running for office or somehow getting involved in the system, rather than griping on a message board?
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'm sure the republicans will be beside themselves if they somehow learn that they might lose your support. You've been so staunch in your advancement of so many of their goals... uh, never mind.
The Thriller
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So your solution is for Red to stop warning us about Trump and run for President, independent of the obvious financial requirements one would need to fulfill? Or of the clearly unacceptable behavior the POTUS has shown?
So basically you're telling others to "shut up unless you run for President?" Am I correct?
Joe Bagadonuts
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No, I didn't say that at all.
The Thriller
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Well, I ended my post with a question, an invitation for you to clarify. Why don't you clarify what you meant to say so that others might understand your posts?
Joe Bagadonuts
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Because I long ago discovered that most people are more intelligent than you.
The Thriller
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I've voted for a republican for President many times. This year was the first year I voted for a Democrat.
Locally I won't vote for Republicans because I dream of one day having a 2 party system in Utah.
The Thriller
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We know that historically the pendulum swings. When this Trump disease has run its course and the pendulum swings back, will we see a moderate government or will it swing towards a new progressive movement? After nearly 2 decades of pro-corporate conservative policies beginning in the 20s, from FDR's New Deal until Nixon's election, we saw New Deal Democrats (and a progressive Republican in Eisenhower) who initiated change both socially and economically.
Will we see something similar in the coming decades? One may estimate that a new progressive movement could manifest itself in single payer health care, reforms in education, mass government spending for infrastructure and technology, women's rights, worker pay/protections? Ideas that were very popular with the Bernie Sanders young crowd...
Will we see something similar in the coming decades? One may estimate that a new progressive movement could manifest itself in single payer health care, reforms in education, mass government spending for infrastructure and technology, women's rights, worker pay/protections? Ideas that were very popular with the Bernie Sanders young crowd...
The Thriller
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I'm not sure if you could even call the GOP in Utah "Republican." It's more of a Mormon real estate lobbyist sausage fest than anything else.
When you look at the makeup of the legislature, it's pretty astonishing how homogenous it is. 80 percent are white mormon males. In just the House of Reps alone (75 reps), there are only 15 women (20 percent). Of that 20 percent, 10 women are from Salt Lake and 9 are Democrat. The rest of the state contributes 5 women reps. That's it.
So not only is the legislature male and republican dominated, but you also see a completely disproportionate number are real estate developers who graduated from BYU. Literally, the entire legislative and executive office are composed of real estate developers (Gov Herbert, Majority leader Neiderhouser, and Speaker Hughes).
Utah State, Weber State, and Utah are underrepresented throughout the legislature.
The entire Congressional representation is Mormon and Republican.
Lee & Hatch (Senators)
Stewart, Bishop, Love, Chaffetz- all of the top contenders are Mormon Repubs (Reps)
And it absolutely shows in their policies and legislation. I don't know why the local LDS population not only is okay with this but seems to be very enthusiastic in their support of it.
It really only takes 51 percent of the votes to get over 80% of the representation in the state.
DutchJazzer
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well, how is it mostly negative. a coalmine opnening in pensylvania because of trump undoing obama regulation is positive news. ooh wait you hate trees, and dont wnat their to be co2 so trees cant breathe!
the stock-market hitting highs everywhere! ooh wait that is Obama doing.!
jus tgathe ra variety of state and local newspaper see how much those papers talk about russia and other news.
if you think their is only negative things. then you have been brainwashed
DutchJazzer
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politifact is stronlgy biased against the right bro!
when something is blatantly true they call it true if it is a left winger who said it. and half right if a right winger said it!
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DutchJazzer
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you know nothing about the far right!
The Thriller
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Correct
As Utah becomes more diverse and becomes an increasingly heterogeneous population, its representation becomes increasingly more homogeneous and authoritarian. Just look at what happened when anyone questioned the legislature about air quality, public education spending, Medicaid expansion, the prison relocation, and liquor laws. At the congressional level, the heterogeneous population has lashed out in frustration at its representation. Were their concerns respected? Nope. They were instantly labeled as "paid protestors."
In Utah, it's so easy to become elected. As you said, you only need to get half the votes and you will be elected. Typically, all one needs to do to be elected here in Utah is: Have male genitalia, have a R by your name, and claim that you're a Mormon.
Sadly, many of the reps aren't responsive to their constituents because of their safety. As a result, issues that many Mormons agree on with their "gentile" peers are ignored. Issues such as public lands, air quality, health care, public education, even liquor (I don't know anyone who supports variations of the Zion curtain or the DABC).
It... it sounds like he does.
Finally something worth reading.
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