Durant benched, steak ends

[Hotdog]

if i have to take out somebody then i would take out drexler and pippen. eventually today's greats will push them out. both of those guys would be borderline top 25. pippen was the greatest robin and he probably could've been top 20 player, but him not being the lead dog for majority of his career is hurting him. drexler is also borderline top 25. his peak was little too short. so both of them to me are 25-30 range.

but again, i would really have to take time and compare and even revisit some of the old footages before i really make up my mind. it's really hard rank dudes after top 15. it's just too hard because they all make good case.

anyway this would be my all time team

MJ
Pippen
Magic
duncan
wilt

my alternate team

MJ
Pippen
Magic
hakeem
shaq


so yeah, i value pippen's D length and D alot. i think hakeem can play 4. hakeem really was a center even with ralph sampson, but he has skill sets to play 4 and be excel at it.

So you basically said my list was trash because of 4 people. Two whom you say are borderline top 25. One who I was joking putting in there (sorta) and the other is Kevin Freaking Durant!!!

And you said you havent put much thought into it.

My list is legit. Those players are legit top players ever. The order can be argued some but not much.

 

[Hotdog]

I only listed 6 active players on that list and BTP and FabTrey threw a fit about it.

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan
Dwayne Wade
Steph Curry


Are all those guys besides Curry not legit best players ever candidates.?

Its like you guys saw Curry and made a fuss about the whole thing.

I had trouble deciding on that last spot so I just had some fun with Curry there. I thought youd get that I wasnt serious. Although I do think he is the best shooter ever and he would probably land in my top 60 or so.

 

[BTP]

Word about Durant is that he's 6'10 w/o shoes right now. I think someone even posted pictures to compare heights.
Putting actual numbers is really hard because they played in so many different ages of basketball. Hard to compare that.

Supreme Superstars, Gamechangers:
Jordan
Magic
Hakeem
Kareem
Stockton
(Most likely LeBron and possibly Durant as future guys to fit that. Anthony Davis is also on my horizon as the most mobile inside player ever)
Going by talent I'd also say Iverson, but he lasted only so long and his personality wasn't build for winning, which also shows in his stats. But he was the first electric tiny man to really dominate, which has developed into a trend. So he goes down as well as Shaq.
I don't know too much about a couple of pre 80s players, but from what I hear and snippets I saw I'd say Oscar Robertson might fit that category as well
Shaq is a borderline case for me(Very short prime)
Wilt(He set the bar)

Superstars:
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Dirk(He's going to be 5th or 6th in point scored all time, and probably top3 when you factor in scoring efficiency and difficulty)
Iverson
Wade
Russell
Robinson
Barkley
Malone
Bird
Erving
Moses
Nash(pre Lakers, lol)
Miller(Simply because I want to have a prototype shooter, and even though Ray Allen is clutch he is less a player than Miller imo)
Garnett
Drexler

Isiah Thomas for example was simply lucky to be playing on a very very deep team that was rare. Bird was also on a very good team AND he didn't play too long. So Bird for me even is a close case. Steph Curry has done nothing than shoot 3s with unprecedented accuracy and frequency. Only matched by frequency of ankle injuries. Pippen and Drexler simply were #2 players who looked better because they played next to such influential players. Drexler had deep Portland teams next to Terry Porter who was very good in his prime and then behind Olajuwon in Houston. He's really borderline. But Pippen w/o Jordan was still good, very good, but not the same awesome totally playing up to his strengths. So they're both raiding coattails a little.

 

[Fabtrey]

So you basically said my list was trash because of 4 people. Two whom you say are borderline top 25. One who I was joking putting in there (sorta) and the other is Kevin Freaking Durant!!!

And you said you havent put much thought into it.

My list is legit. Those players are legit top players ever. The order can be argued some but not much.

any list with a Stephen Curry in top 25? i can't take that seriously.

KD in top 10? that's the biggest joke ever. i mean that's the biggest slap in the face to past greats.


so yeah, just those 2 players. and it's a joke.

 

[Fabtrey]

I only listed 6 active players on that list and BTP and FabTrey threw a fit about it.

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Tim Duncan
Dwayne Wade
Steph Curry


Are all those guys besides Curry not legit best players ever candidates.?

Its like you guys saw Curry and made a fuss about the whole thing.

I had trouble deciding on that last spot so I just had some fun with Curry there. I thought youd get that I wasnt serious. Although I do think he is the best shooter ever and he would probably land in my top 60 or so.

Please tell me what did KD do in his career to justify being #6 in your list

KD has

1. no mvps
2. no championships
3. never been the best player in the league yet
4. never dominated the playoffs yet
5. defense was suspect for many years


all you got is gaudy stats, and your faith in him to be the top 2 player for next 10 years.
I also project him to be the top 2-3 players for next decade. but that hasn't happened yet.


you have KD above

7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'neal
9. Wilt Chamberlin
10. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
11. Bill Russell
12. Larry Bird
13. Karl Malone


I mean that's the funniest thing I've ever read in my entire life. that's like putting Kobe #6 back in 1999.

how da hell am i supposed to take you seriously with that kinda joke?

 

[Fabtrey]

Word about Durant is that he's 6'10 w/o shoes right now. I think someone even posted pictures to compare heights.
Putting actual numbers is really hard because they played in so many different ages of basketball. Hard to compare that.

Supreme Superstars, Gamechangers:
Jordan
Magic
Hakeem
Kareem
Stockton
(Most likely LeBron and possibly Durant as future guys to fit that. Anthony Davis is also on my horizon as the most mobile inside player ever)
Going by talent I'd also say Iverson, but he lasted only so long and his personality wasn't build for winning, which also shows in his stats. But he was the first electric tiny man to really dominate, which has developed into a trend. So he goes down as well as Shaq.
I don't know too much about a couple of pre 80s players, but from what I hear and snippets I saw I'd say Oscar Robertson might fit that category as well
Shaq is a borderline case for me(Very short prime)
Wilt(He set the bar)

Superstars:
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Dirk(He's going to be 5th or 6th in point scored all time, and probably top3 when you factor in scoring efficiency and difficulty)
Iverson
Wade
Russell
Robinson
Barkley
Malone
Bird
Erving
Moses
Nash(pre Lakers, lol)
Miller(Simply because I want to have a prototype shooter, and even though Ray Allen is clutch he is less a player than Miller imo)
Garnett
Drexler

Isiah Thomas for example was simply lucky to be playing on a very very deep team that was rare. Bird was also on a very good team AND he didn't play too long. So Bird for me even is a close case. Steph Curry has done nothing than shoot 3s with unprecedented accuracy and frequency. Only matched by frequency of ankle injuries. Pippen and Drexler simply were #2 players who looked better because they played next to such influential players. Drexler had deep Portland teams next to Terry Porter who was very good in his prime and then behind Olajuwon in Houston. He's really borderline. But Pippen w/o Jordan was still good, very good, but not the same awesome totally playing up to his strengths. So they're both raiding coattails a little.

you sh!!itin me. Zeke won 2 (should've been 3) in a most stacked era as a lead dog. lucky? without zeke, that pistons team don't win sh2#$#@it. every top teams in that era was deep. zeke was nasty. there is a reason why zeke being left out in dream team was a huge news. and if you have Iverson over zeke than you know nothing about basketball. AI was great 1 on 1 player. that's it. that's all he was. as far as 1on1 player go, AI would be top 5 ever. but basketball is a team game. zeke knew how to play team game. better vision, better functional handle, better d, better leader, and just a better player. he was a great point guard. only reason i have stockton over zeke is stockton did it much longer. but zeke's peak is easily better than stockton's peak.

and if you have nash over zeke, then you should never ever talk basketball. EVER. that's almost as bigger joke as putting KD #6 all time. you are basically saying you've never seen isiah thomas in your life.

 

[BTP]

you sh!!itin me. Zeke won 2 (should've been 3) in a most stacked era as a lead dog. lucky? without zeke, that pistons team don't win sh2#$#@it. every top teams in that era was deep. zeke was nasty. there is a reason why zeke being left out in dream team was a huge news. and if you have Iverson over zeke than you know nothing about basketball. AI was great 1 on 1 player. that's it. that's all he was. as far as 1on1 player go, AI would be top 5 ever. but basketball is a team game. zeke knew how to play team game. better vision, better functional handle, better d, better leader, and just a better player. he was a great point guard. only reason i have stockton over zeke is stockton did it much longer. but zeke's peak is easily better than stockton's peak.

and if you have nash over zeke, then you should never ever talk basketball. EVER. that's almost as bigger joke as putting KD #6 all time. you are basically saying you've never seen isiah thomas in your life.

Welcome on my ignore list

 

[Fabtrey]

man up and debate.

nash over zeke? lol
AI over zeke? lol


i guess you just realized there is no way you can win this debate. you just can't. you have no argument.

 

[Hotdog]

So fabtrey thinks Durant isnt great

and BTP thinks AI was the best

Got it.


Give me this team, and it would smash your fantasy team's

Steph Curry
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Hakeem Olajuwon


Pick a team of seperate players and we'll put it to vote.

 

[Fabtrey]

So fabtrey thinks Durant isnt great

and BTP thinks AI was the best

Got it.


Give me this team, and it would smash your fantasy team's

Steph Curry
Dwayne Wade
Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Hakeem Olajuwon


Pick a team of seperate players and we'll put it to vote.

wow, that's all you can do?

pip and MJ would shut down shooters. and that team is way too small to go up against my bigs. will get abused in the post. lol i mean who'a gonna play 4? bron? lol. i mean it's a total mismatch. my team will out rebound your team by 2:1 ratio. your team is too small. has zero balance. wade and curry will be reduced to nothing. has no clear position. total fail.

just look at my team.

MJ - will neutralize 1 of the scorers.
Pippen - will neutralize 1 of the scorers.
Magic - best vision, will find open guys.
duncan - will abuse any of your 4. bron? KD? TD would demolish them in the paint.
wilt - will absolutely own the paint. hakeem will have zero answer especially when TD brings his great help D. who da hell's gonna stop wilt from scoring? hakeem? lol



your team 78
my team 115


your team would have to count on KD to consistently make long jumpers. Curry won't be able to do a thing in that court full of great players. he will have to launch those long 3's on MJ. lol good luck with that. pippen will neutralize KD. bron and magic will be intriguing match up, but good luck blow passing by magic because 2 bigs awaits him. not just 2 bigs, but I have young TD and friggin Wilt. and if you put bron at 4, TD will make a mockery out of bron. talk about total mismatch. Wade won't be able to do anything. i mean, lol. what da hell he's gonna do? be flash and drive to the hoop? nobody would be able score near the paint because wilt and TD would shut them down.

and my 2nd team would do the same. i have hakeem, so he cancels your hakeem. so who's gonna stop shaq? against my 2nd team, your team will lose by 45.

 

[Hotdog]

wow, that's all you can do? jeez, looks like a slightly upgraded US olympic team few years ago.

pip and MJ would shut down shooters. and that team is way too small to go up against my bigs. will get abused in the post. lol i mean where is 4? who's gonna grab rebounds? i mean it's a total mismatch


your team 78
any of my team 115

Chicken?

 

[Fabtrey]

hakeem is great, but you are asking hakeem to go up against wilt & TD. that sh!@#t ain't gonna fly

pick a new team with a PF and a legit point. curry is a combo guard who can catch a fire, but he ain't true point. if he gets hot, i'll put MJ or scottie on him. he will be reduced to nothing. and if KD or whoever gets hot, we can simply double team him to death. and no matter what happens, ya'll can't penetrate against the big dipper and the big fundamental.

you would be better off with cp3 and let him run the show.

 

[Fabtrey]

Steph Curry 5/18fg 13pts / 3reb / 4assts
Dwayne Wade 5/12fg 14pts / 3reb / 3assts
Kevin Durant 8/22fg 20pts / 6reb / 5assts
Lebron James 7/16fg 17pts / 8reb / 7assts
Hakeem Olajuwon 6/11fg 14pts / 12reb / 3assts

78pts

31/79 = 39% from the field.
32rebounds
22assists



MJ - 10/20fg 27pts 5 reb / 5assts
Pippen - 6/12fg 16pts 7 reb / 4assts
Magic - 5/10fg 14pts 9 reb / 14assts
duncan - 10/18fg 22pts / 12 reb / 3assts
wilt - 16/22fg 36pts / 21reb / 4assts

115pts

47/82 = 57% from the field
54 rebounds
30 assists


next.

 

[Hotdog]

hakeem is great, but you are asking hakeem to go up against wilt & TD. that sh!@#t ain't gonna fly

pick a new team with a PF and a legit point. curry is a combo guard who can catch a fire, but he ain't true point. if he gets hot, i'll put MJ or scottie on him. he will be reduced to nothing. and if KD or whoever gets hot, we can simply double team him to death. and no matter what happens, ya'll can't penetrate against the big dipper and the big fundamental.

you would be better off with cp3 and let him run the show.

are you crazy?

You cant double anybody on my team. Switching defenders doesn't help either.

You trying to tell me Wade and Lebron wouldn't be able to get to the basket?

My team would run your team right of the court and nail a bazillion 3's.

While Hakeem protects the basket and scores at will on your frontcourt.

 

[Hotdog]

Steph Curry 5/18fg 13pts / 3reb / 4assts
Dwayne Wade 5/12fg 14pts / 3reb / 3assts
Kevin Durant 8/22fg 20pts / 6reb / 5assts
Lebron James 7/16fg 17pts / 8reb / 7assts
Hakeem Olajuwon 5/10fg 14pts / 12reb / 3assts

78pts

30/78 = 38.5% from the field.
32rebounds
22assists



MJ - 10/20fg 27pts 5 reb / 5assts
Pippen - 6/12fg 16pts 7 reb / 4assts
Magic - 5/10fg 14pts 9 reb / 14assts
duncan - 10/18fg 22pts / 12 reb / 3assts
wilt - 16/22fg 36pts / 21reb / 4assts

115pts

47/82 = 57% from the field
54 rebounds
30 assists


next.

lol.

not a chance.

That team would struggle to hold my team to 145 points. The action would be so fast paced it would make your head spin.

 

[Hotdog]

Are you saying mj is your point and magic is your sf?

 

[Fabtrey]

are you crazy?

You cant double anybody on my team. Switching defenders doesn't help either.

You trying to tell me Wade and Lebron wouldn't be able to get to the basket?

My team would run your team right of the court and nail a bazillion 3's.

While Hakeem protects the basket and scores at will on your frontcourt.

your team's biggest problem

1. it's a small team especially against my team. you don't have a guy who can defend duncan.
2. hakeem can't guard wilt. sorry. not in his dream. hakeem is undersized 5. wilt length and defense and help D by duncan will make him look like 2nd tier player. this is no knock on hakeem. you didn't give him a running mate. you are asking hakeem to do way too much.
3. zero slashability. watch bron and ask him he had fun slashing against bigger indiana pacers. bron hates getting physical. my team is way too physical. KD might not want to get up once he gets KTFO against my twin tower. KD will just jump shoot. good luck going past MJ/pippen with his slow foot speed. and let's say some how he passes them by my twin tower will make him pay.
4. curry can't shoot against my team. not a chance. MJ will be all over him if he makes a fg against him. MJ will talk smack all day and maybe even make curry feel like he doesn't belong in this court yet.
5. wade is in no man's land. too small, can't beat my twin towers and can't consistently shoot. his great ability will be neutralized because nobody can slash against my twin tower.

yeah, keep wishing you can make all those contested jumpers.

 

[Hotdog]

K. Lets pick a sixth man too. Ill take Shaq

 

[Hotdog]

Btw,...

Dwayne Wade had the very best finals performance ever.

Id bet my life there has never been a player that could have shut down a prime Wade.

 

[Fabtrey]

Are you saying mj is your point and magic is your sf?

no Magic is my PG. MJ would be my lock down defender against curry or wade. pippen is my SF who will neutralize whoever gets hot between bron/kd in the perimeter. and yes, i'll switch to death. i mean honestly, Magic doesn't even have to much on D. i mean, he would be watching mj/pippen doing all the dirty work. he will be ready to run after we steal balls from your team like crazy.

and i don't care who i put on my perimeter. i have TD & wilt. that's the greatest twin tower of all time. i can't think of a twin tower better than this combo. TD is a natural 4 who can knock down 15fter all day every day against smaller defender. and his length is one of the most underrated part of his game. go watch drob & TD defend the paint. but now i have wilt who makes drob's D rather pedestrian. 7ft 8 wingspan with strength only matched by prime shaq. with 36+ inch vertical. and he can run all day without getting tired. will neutralize hakeem rather easily to tell you the truth.