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Red said:
I’ve read a couple of reports suggesting, based on anonymous administration officials, of course, that Trump advanced the election fraud claims as, in part at least, a sort of payback for years of accusations involving collusion with Russia in the 2016 election.

I can understand revenge where Trump is concerned. Easily. (But, might as well point out that in calling on the Russians to find and release Hillary emails, which they then did the same day, and in Trump Jr. being willing to meet with and listen to alleged “dirt” on Hillary, their campaign did engage in collusion. Just no proof of active conspiracy between Russia and Trump).

But, in this interpretation, it is, in part, payback for those who considered his own election to be tainted.

However, with Trump, look to the ego for real understanding. Recall, even in winning in 2016, he was unable to live with losing the popular vote. He had to, and he did, claim that Hillary could only have won the popular vote because 3 million illegal aliens voted for Hillary. He could not allow himself to be seen as a loser of the popular vote.

This latest claim of fraud in 2020 is also because he cannot allow himself to be seen as a loser. That has to be one major reason behind his claims, and, as we’ve seen, the most fruitcake conspiracy theories are advanced, in a truly desperate attempt to steal the election, and avoid being a loser. Literally. He’ll always be a winner in his alternative reality.

That said, I believe another goal is to convince his followers that he did win the 2020 election, and, by so doing, help cripple a Biden administration from the get go. This is putting self above country. And that too is to be expected from Trump. He will always put himself before his nation. And this has indeed worked with his followers, and Republicans in general. Which is damaging to our democracy. So many times he accused others of being the “enemies of the people”. But it is Trump who was America’s biggest enemy, and he still is...
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It's hilarious how he went into a month of isolation during his meltdown, talk about a weak-***-bitch. Waking up every morning to see the news reports of his loss had him shattered.
 
Figuring out why Trump lost is actually pretty simple: it's just elementary math.

Look at the certified/almost certified results of most states and you'll see a constant: Trump lost 1 - 5 % points against his 2016 victory in the vast majority of states. Below shows how much ground Trump lost (or gained) in 2020 in every state. Red is bad, green is good, blue means no statistical change.

Where did Trump actually perform better than in 2016? Blue states in most cases. Of the seven states where Trump performed better than in 2016, only one was a swing state (Florida). Winning Arkansas was never in doubt for him as was Utah (McMullin not being on the ballot righted these numbers to more historical norms). He was never going to win the other deep blue states where he made some net gains.

Trump eroded support in 41 states total from 2016. Doesn't matter in a place like West Virginia, but sure matters in a state like Georgia. So when we talk about wanting to challenge election results, Trump is basically saying that fake votes are prevalent in nearly every state of the union and conspiring against him despite all being independent electors with representation across partisan lines.

Knowing above, should you really be surprised that Trump lost states like MI, WI, PA that he won by <1% in 2016 with these kinds of shifts? Only if you're so brainwashed that you can't understand the very concepts of arithmetic.

Alabama: -2.3%
Alaska: -4.7%
Arizona: -3.9%
Arkansas: +0.7%
California: +0.9%
Colorado: -8.6%
Connecticut: -6.4%
Delaware: -7.6%
D.C.: 0%
Florida: +2.2%
Georgia: -5.4%
Hawaii: +2.7%
Idaho: -1%
Illinois: +0.1%
Iowa: -1.2%
Indiana: -3.1%
Kansas: -5.5%
Kentucky: -3.9%
Louisiana: -1%
Maine: -6.1%
Maryland: -6.8%
Massachusetts: -6.3%
Michigan: -3%
Minnesota: -5.6%
Mississippi: -1.3%
Missouri: -3.3%
Montana: -4.1%
Nebraska: -5.9%
Nevada - 0%
New Jersey: -1.8%
New Hampshire: -7%
New Mexico: -2.6%
New York: +5.6%
North Carolina: -2.3%
North Dakota: -2.4%
Ohio: -0.1%
Oklahoma: -3.3%
Oregon: -5.1%
Pennsylvania: -1.9%
Rhode Island: -5.3%
South Carolina: -2.6%
South Dakota: -3.6%
Tennessee: -2.7%
Texas: -3.4%
Utah: +2.4%
Vermont: -9%
Virginia: -4.8%
Washington: -3.5%
West Virginia: -3.1%
Wisconsin: -1.4%
Wyoming: -2.9%
 
Red said:
Well, good on you. I live in one of the schoolboy hockey hotbeds in the United States. Many of our local kids have gone on to careers in the NHL. Mt. St. Charles Academy in Woonsocket, RI, is where most of our schoolboy hockey prodigies end up. And from there, college programs like Providence College, national champs a few years back, and then drafted by NHL teams. Lots of pro sports teams up the road in Boston, obviously, but hockey will always rule here in RI. So, as we’re fond of saying in RI: keep your stick on the ice!
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I don't know that any kids skating on my rink (or my dad's before me) have ever gone pro, but we have had several pro hockey players (both active and retired) skate on our ice. This is not a hotbed for hockey talent but we sure do have a lot of fun!
 
Avery said:
Figuring out why Trump lost is actually pretty simple: it's just elementary math.

Look at the certified/almost certified results of most states and you'll see a constant: Trump lost 1 - 5 % points against his 2016 victory in the vast majority of states. Below shows how much ground Trump lost (or gained) in 2020 in every state. Red is bad, green is good, blue means no statistical change.

Where did Trump actually perform better than in 2016? Blue states in most cases. Of the seven states where Trump performed better than in 2016, only one was a swing state (Florida). Winning Arkansas was never in doubt for him as was Utah (McMullin not being on the ballot righted these numbers to more historical norms). He was never going to win the other deep blue states where he made some net gains.

Trump eroded support in 41 states total from 2016. Doesn't matter in a place like West Virginia, but sure matters in a state like Georgia. So when we talk about wanting to challenge election results, Trump is basically saying that fake votes are prevalent in nearly every state of the union and conspiring against him despite all being independent electors with representation across partisan lines.

Knowing above, should you really be surprised that Trump lost states like MI, WI, PA that he won by
Alabama: -2.3%
Alaska: -4.7%
Arizona: -3.9%
Arkansas: +0.7%
California: +0.9%
Colorado: -8.6%
Connecticut: -6.4%
Delaware: -7.6%
D.C.: 0%
Florida: +2.2%
Georgia: -5.4%
Hawaii: +2.7%
Idaho: -1%
Illinois: +0.1%
Iowa: -1.2%
Indiana: -3.1%
Kansas: -5.5%
Kentucky: -3.9%
Louisiana: -1%
Maine: -6.1%
Maryland: -6.8%
Massachusetts: -6.3%
Michigan: -3%
Minnesota: -5.6%
Mississippi: -1.3%
Missouri: -3.3%
Montana: -4.1%
Nebraska: -5.9%
Nevada - 0%
New Jersey: -1.8%
New Hampshire: -7%
New Mexico: -2.6%
New York: +5.6%
North Carolina: -2.3%
North Dakota: -2.4%
Ohio: -0.1%
Oklahoma: -3.3%
Oregon: -5.1%
Pennsylvania: -1.9%
Rhode Island: -5.3%
South Carolina: -2.6%
South Dakota: -3.6%
Tennessee: -2.7%
Texas: -3.4%
Utah: +2.4%
Vermont: -9%
Virginia: -4.8%
Washington: -3.5%
West Virginia: -3.1%
Wisconsin: -1.4%
Wyoming: -2.9%
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Wait...I thought Babe said Biden only picked up votes in a few urban areas in a few ("contested") states.

Your numbers must be wrong...
 
GVC said:
Wait...I thought Babe said Biden only picked up votes in a few urban areas in a few ("contested") states.

Your numbers must be wrong...
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When you dive into district-level numbers, Trump actually did incrementally better with Hispanics. This can especially be seen along the Texas-Mexico border as well as places like East LA (and was very effective with getting the Cuban vote and limiting Hispanic turnout in places like Miami/Dade). He also performed a tick better amongst Blacks as black males tended to be better for him while black women stayed away.

Trump shed his support with the very people who helped propel him in 2016: White voters and Independents. It was really moderates who won the election for Biden - whether this was Trump fatigue, Covid, etc., these minute shifts delivered him the victory.

It will always be an interesting case study to see if this outcome would have been the same had not a center-leaning D like Biden were the nominee vs. your Bernie Sanders variety. I would also maintain that we'd be looking at Trump's second-term had he not bungled his Covid response in the first half of the year so poorly.
 
www.washingtontimes.com

Sidney Powell, ex-Trump campaign lawyer, shares post recommending military tribunals review election

Conservative lawyers alleging President Trump was the victim of an unproven election fraud conspiracy are calling on him to deploy the U.S. military over his projected defeat to Joseph R. Biden.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com

www.snopes.com

Sidney Powell Lawsuit Cites Election Fraud in County That Doesn't Exist

Can a candidate receive more than 100% of the vote, recorded in a locale that isn't real?
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol. It wouldnt cost anymore. They would just change the votes for senate from republican to Democrat at the exact same time and on the same ballot that they changed from trump to Biden.

And if the fraud wasn't all that good then it would be proven in court rather than the exact opposite.

You are really reaching on this stuff. Your brainwashing is working well. Your overlords are pleased.

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Don't be so confused. I'm not you.

Your speculations are the stretch.

Pretty damn certain that if there is a company with a computer for getting election results, it's done on a paying basis. If you don't pay for it up front, you get nothing.

Not talking about ideological Marxists or Patriots here, nobody in that kind of business "believes" anything.

And believe me, if they can do this, and are in position to keep doing it, they'll change votes from Democrat to Republican for about the same price.
 
babe said:
Don't be so confused. I'm not you.

Your speculations are the stretch.

Pretty damn certain that if there is a company with a computer for getting election results, it's done on a paying basis. If you don't pay for it up front, you get nothing.

Not talking about ideological Marxists or Patriots here, nobody in that kind of business "believes" anything.

And believe me, if they can do this, and are in position to keep doing it, they'll change votes from Democrat to Republican for about the same price.
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Nope your speculations are the stretch.
I just go with actual evidence that has been provided and effective in the courts. Which is basically nothing.

You take everything you can find on the internet relating to democrats committing fraud as fact and truth even though everything is getting debunked left and right and thrown out of the courtrooms.


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Red said:
www.washingtontimes.com

Sidney Powell, ex-Trump campaign lawyer, shares post recommending military tribunals review election

Conservative lawyers alleging President Trump was the victim of an unproven election fraud conspiracy are calling on him to deploy the U.S. military over his projected defeat to Joseph R. Biden.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com

www.snopes.com

Sidney Powell Lawsuit Cites Election Fraud in County That Doesn't Exist

Can a candidate receive more than 100% of the vote, recorded in a locale that isn't real?
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
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I am not reading your link here because I have no evidence anything in the webz is factual. It's all LA LA Land stuff, unless you can get to court with affidavits and getg some damn court to rule on it.

Seriously, I think Powell is a good attorney who has something in her briefcase to substantiate what she says in court. I think Flynn was innocent of what was charged against him. He was a democrat, has democrat believes and cultural references. He was Obama's man. But he gagged on the Iran deal.

This is what happens to anyone who crosses the agenda. I'm glad Trump pardoned him, but it would have made a bigger difference if his case had prevailed in court.

Anyone who thinks our "Republic" can be saved by a military tribunal would not be on good ground, even if that's all the ground there was left to "stand" on. I have no faith in the military, actually not even in police. I mean I know some pretty good people personally in those lines of work, but institutionally they are also political and hang with or fly with the politics.

I had to laugh at what the media is making of the last ditch efforts by Hannity and others.

Hannity has a staff of maybe twelve bookish students of available information. He has no investigative power like the government has. People come to him with their information or stories, and he has to make a call on credibility and he tries to bring out stuff we just can't get from a solid front propaganda team of several billionaire owned organizations. It's likely he will be kicked off whatever little platform he has.

Hannity just isn't a full-blown institutional supporter/propagandist.

I have some few facts of my own that would never get air in the media, and folks like Hannity would be about the only way to let anyone know.

Of course he is an opinion show and not a news organization. If he claimed to be vetting stuff and giving out news I think there are a helluva lot of libel ambulance chasing attorneys with a lot of deep pocket clients who would make all they could of it.

A few majors have been dinged for pushing false stories that damaged individuals recently. Opinions are not (yet) subject to that kind of legal action.

So far there has been no court that has let "discovery" go forward on the election issues. In civil matters, "discovery" is virtually a human right, where ever there is an argument for any wrong suffered by an individual.

So the fact is there are a lot of folks who have real influence, as in having a lot of chips in their pockets to play, to pay for favors, who believe Trump simply can't be permitted to have another term.

And he won't get it.
 
What you guys need to think about now is what Kamala Harris is going to do.

Biden was the main man pushing for the private-prison industry's bill in the nineties that gave our courts a mandate to incarcerate relatively harmless offenders for pot charges and other more or less victimless crimes, and our prisons got stuffed with soft, "easy" inmates. Meanwhile, we have had courts ordering the release of major hardened types who arguably are not "profitable" for the prison contract industry.

@Candresw Please educate us all on this issue.

Harris, with long-standing support from major CA politicians rode a bullet to the AG position in CA, and made a great play for this prison industry political donor class. She also has been exposed for actual indifference to the issues along these lines on race.

Biden and Harris have deep tracks with China, where Xi is actually operating re-education camps and implementing systemic programs to manage the culture. The prison camps are filled with moslem minorities and a few political dissidents.

Biden and Harris got open support from our major media, which now is compliant with Chinese "investment" advisors. The obvious charge here is that "resistance" to the new order is going to be socially ostracized or politically punished. Anyone like Powell who objects will be targeted.

We have a lot of gutless politicians, and judges. We have a lot of people who have been "reached" by political..... whatever the source..... money. Globalism has no elective officers or lawmaking authorities who can be recalled or discharged by a vote.

People who believe in this kind of government don't even believe in elections in the first place.

Those who now support this kind of government are making a bed they will have to sleep in themselves.

In Russia, there were waves of political reprisals/massacres of all kinds of people who made the dictator nervous. Most of the supporters of "change" fell under this ax.

I couldn't say Trump or anyone else is really some damn "answer" for the world, but destroying public confidence in elections is a major "win" for those who want to destroy the institutions we have had..

Our "institutions" as they stand are going along with this, and in doing so they make it open season on themselves as much as anyone else.

Hitler is a bad word, which few even understand. In the 1930s "Hitler" was hope for the world. He was rebuilding Germany.

Xi today is an open racist who speaks frankly about his Han ethnic group's superiority. Xi is the man who will lead globalism to a higher plane with Confucian-influenced culture and beliefs rather than English traditions. In China, when authority breaks down, there are no human rights or expectations that hold people together. Local warlords with little personal armies take over where they can. People try not to become obvious problems that need to be fixed. Instant displays of compliance are all anyone has to keep themselves on the sunny side of the grass.

China will not be a successful world government leader. He will not be a leader who fulfills any Western hopes for a better world.
 
I don't think Sidney Powell is a good lawyer. A good lawyer for her clients, yes, she'll tell you the sky is raining blood and that you're naked even if you're dressed in clothes, but that doesn't make her a competent trial attorney when you push your chips all in.

Asking Trump to declare martial law and for military tribunals who, I'll remind you, is reserved for enemy armies, is the stuff of lunacy.
 
Avery said:
I don't think Sidney Powell is a good lawyer. A good lawyer for her clients, yes, she'll tell you the sky is raining blood and that you're naked even if you're dressed in clothes, but that doesn't make her a competent trial attorney when you push your chips all in.

Asking Trump to declare martial law and for military tribunals who, I'll remind you, is reserved for enemy armies, is the stuff of lunacy.
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Not having the required evidence to prove her clients claims in court so going to plan B of telling her client to declare martial law and use the United States military against the United States is some damn good lawyering.

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fishonjazz said:
Not having the required evidence to prove her clients claims in court so going to plan B of telling her client to declare martial law and use the United States military against the United States is some damn good lawyering.

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And let's be honest, the joint chiefs would never go along with it. Hell, I'm not even sure what they'd be enforcing. Not like there's millions of people taking to the streets right now murdering Republicans/Democrats or burning down entire cities. They'd probably be standing around asking you if you've seen any good deals on Nintendo Switches or out on your lawn and having snowball fights with kids.
 
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