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framer said:
Scarlet definitely, Shuri seems anchored to Wikanda, Marvel annoys me the same way Superman annoys me. Wasp would be good. We need Spider Woman. Squirrel Girls seems inevitable.

Some really good female villians would be nice.
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Well there are lots of potential options in the Marvel Universe from the X-Men side.
 
I've been thinking a lot about Black Widow's storyline. It seemed like she would be the obvious choice as the future leader of the Avengers as she was the one keeping them connected anyway. And how are they going to do a standalone movie for her - a prequel? a come back to life story?

Earlier today I read this article:
 
The Thriller said:
Both he and Robert Downey jr had run the course. Even though I love Downey. Just give me scenes of him being his normal d bag hilarious self and that’s a fine movie by itself.

The one I’m disappointed in is Thor. It finally felt like they got the formula right in Ragnorak. Wish they could ride that series another movie or two more. It felt like Thor had finally gained some momentum. I loved all the colors and fantasy space land in Ragnorak. Almost Guardians like. And they finally stopped taking Thor so seriously. Ragnorak along with guardians 1 and Winter Soldier are my favorites.
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Are they done with Thor? The movie ended with Thor jointing the GOTG crew, which makes perfect sense if we don't get another Thor standalone movie I guess.
 
framer said:
Something that was fun to realize is that when Peggy Carter was talking to Steve Rogers after he came back in the first Avengers, she KNEW that he was a time traveler and that she had already had a full life with him. She is very evasive about talking about her life. The strange part is that he was probably alive and just made sure to not be around when younger Steve came to visit. I'm assuming that old Steve wasn't time travelling, of course.
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The only problem with this is it is a continuity error. Prof. Hulk explained that nothing they would do would affect their current timeline, like all the standard movie tropes. He made it very clear they were creating new timelines. Then, something cap did directly affected their timeline. And the part with the sorceress supreme isn't an explanation for this because it is only talking about breaking the timeline when they removed an infinity Stone. It doesn't negate hulk's explanation of time travel.

That said, I really enjoyed it. It was a solid and satisfying ending to many of the character arcs.

I was a little irritated with one trope they held to, that of not using your best weapon. Obviously Captain marvel can withstand the full power of the stones, basically because she is a living infinity Stone, so when they even hatched the idea they should have reached out to her to have her come help. She could likely have used the gauntlet with zero damage and just shoved Thanos into a hole with it when he came on the scene. It's a mistake they make in some of the stand-alone movies for the individual characters too. Like you'll see a moment in a captain America movie and go "man if iron Man were here this would be over in less than a minute", but of course they don't call him because, franchise plot? That's irritating.
 
Stoked said:
Seems like a perfect time to introduce Nova to the marvel movie verse.

Also I really want to see venom and carnage tied into Spider-Man.

The next Iron Man was set up, Harley(?)

Loki is missing

New Captain America

Next Hawkeye (his daughter)

Mutants

They tied this story off nicely but left so many new doors open.
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Loki is still dead. They also made it clear they only undid the snap, not resurrecting all characters. If they died before the snap they stayed dead.
 
Zombie said:
Are they done with Thor? The movie ended with Thor jointing the GOTG crew, which makes perfect sense if we don't get another Thor standalone movie I guess.
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I would love to see a movie when thor as a guardian of the Galaxy. They are the best comedic characters, they fit well together.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I would love to see a movie when thor as a guardian of the Galaxy. They are the best comedic characters, they fit well together.
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Well they also lay the ground work for future Loki stories. He escapes with the space stone. So a whole new timeline was created.

Loki is getting a show in the new Disney +.
 
Stoked said:
Well they also lay the ground work for future Loki stories. He escapes with the space stone. So a whole new timeline was created.

Loki is getting a show in the new Disney +.
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That's true. A whole different timeline created. But in the main timeline he's dead.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The only problem with this is it is a continuity error. Prof. Hulk explained that nothing they would do would affect their current timeline, like all the standard movie tropes. He made it very clear they were creating new timelines. Then, something cap did directly affected their timeline. And the part with the sorceress supreme isn't an explanation for this because it is only talking about breaking the timeline when they removed an infinity Stone. It doesn't negate hulk's explanation of time travel.

That said, I really enjoyed it. It was a solid and satisfying ending to many of the character arcs.

I was a little irritated with one trope they held to, that of not using your best weapon. Obviously Captain marvel can withstand the full power of the stones, basically because she is a living infinity Stone, so when they even hatched the idea they should have reached out to her to have her come help. She could likely have used the gauntlet with zero damage and just shoved Thanos into a hole with it when he came on the scene. It's a mistake they make in some of the stand-alone movies for the individual characters too. Like you'll see a moment in a captain America movie and go "man if iron Man were here this would be over in less than a minute", but of course they don't call him because, franchise plot? That's irritating.
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You are making the assumption that Professor Hulk knew what he was talking about. I mean, quantum physics isn't even his discipline. If he were all knowledgeable, he wouldn't be the Hulk in the first place. In real practice, he screws up an awful lot. We saw what happened when he was in charge of the experiments. The only people who knew what was going on were the Sorcerers Supreme, and they seemed only concerned with the Infinity stones part of the "timeline."

Past Thanos somehow transported his entire fleet from the past into the "timeline." and was a very real part of the timeline. Why couldn't Steve Rogers do that?
 
framer said:
You are making the assumption that Professor Hulk knew what he was talking about. I mean, quantum physics isn't even his discipline. If he were all knowledgeable, he wouldn't be the Hulk in the first place. In real practice, he screws up an awful lot. We saw what happened when he was in charge of the experiments. The only people who knew what was going on were the Sorcerers Supreme, and they seemed only concerned with the Infinity stones part of the "timeline."

Past Thanos somehow transported his entire fleet from the past into the "timeline." and was a very real part of the timeline. Why couldn't Steve Rogers do that?
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That's the point. Past Thanos used a portal already defined by the mythology of the show to connect disparate timelines. There is no reason to doubt what banner said, and nothing else contradicted it, so even if he were wrong they made a mistake by not letting the audience know the truth. Bad storytelling to set rules for what amounts to magic, then break those rules, and never explained why to the audience. Relying on some nebulous "well he was probably just wrong" is just bad writing.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm really just nit-picking. This was an incredibly ambitious project and it would be all but impossible to tie up everything in a neat little package. For the most part, 95% of it, they did amazing considering all the different threads that came together. Really a fun movie and a satisfying end to the whole thing.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That's the point. Past Thanos used a portal already defined by the mythology of the show to connect disparate timelines. There is no reason to doubt what banner said, and nothing else contradicted it, so even if he were wrong they made a mistake by not letting the audience know the truth. Bad storytelling to set rules for what amounts to magic, then break those rules, and never explained why to the audience. Relying on some nebulous "well he was probably just wrong" is just bad writing.
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Honestly, when has Banner ever been right?
 
Ok another thing that's been bugging me is the way they used captain marvel. The last thing fury did as he watched the world being completely destroyed (as far as he knew this was happening, he wasn't around to see the fallout) was to call for captain marvel. So she shows up, acts tough, then bails. She then shows up years later, AFTER they had already collected the infinity Stones, to blow up a ship and punch thanos and basically do nothing else. Seems a real waste of such a mysterious and dramatic set up. She is basically Indiana Jones, a lot of hype but not really having any impact on the outcome of the story. Wouldn't it have all gone down more or less as we saw whether she were there or not? I guess it could be argued that everything had to happen that way to make everything fall in place so it could be the 1 time in 14 million that Dr strange saw, but still seemed a real waste of the objectively most powerful being in that universe. Disappointing and anticlimactic.

It wouldn't have been they difficult to show something like they needed her power to make the time travel thing work, rather than just having Tony solve the whole impossible puzzle over a glass of bourbon one weekend when he was bored, or whatever.
 
Am I the only one who didnt care for it? I feel like I'm getting too old and the good old stuff is no longer entertaining. Maybe not tho, none of my wife or kids liked it. My 5 y.o. was done about 2/3 way through, but maybe just because it is soooooo long.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That's true. A whole different timeline created. But in the main timeline he's dead.
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And in a story telling perspective will it matter?

His series still has all the potential of say a Black Widow or Iron Man popping up. All the characters are still there.

It’s a way to passively includes characters for new material after their death.
 
Stoked said:
And in a story telling perspective will it matter?

His series still has all the potential of say a Black Widow or Iron Man popping up. All the characters are still there.

It’s a way to passively includes characters for new material after their death.
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Well since they introduced time travel anything is possible, literally. They could have a movie where they figure out a way to go back and stop the original snap, or stop the whole thing by killing baby thanos. I know prof hulk said that wouldn't work but then capt America showed that it would. Time travel is at once interesting and fun to consider, and the ultimate cop-out.
 
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