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Enes Kanter is an underrated athlete!

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Is Enes Kanter and underrated athlete and more athletic as advertised?

Look at the numbers from the draft combine of each. People tend to say that Andre Drummond has elite potential and also bust potential but that he would be an overathlete: fast as a tiger, quick as a cat and a high flyer. His elite level athleticizm would give him a great potential while people tend to say Kanter would be limited athletically and so his potential. But here are the numbers:

Height w/o Shoes: 6'9.75'' (Kanter) = 6'9.75'' (Drummond)
Height w/Shoes: 6'11.25'' (Kanter) < 6'11.75'' (Drummond)
Weight: 259 (Kanter) < 279 (Drummond)
Wingspan: 7'1.5'' (Kanter) < 7'6.25'' (Drummond)
Standing Reach: 9'1.5'' (Kanter) = 9'1.5'' (Drummond)
Body Fat: 5.9 (Kanter) > 7.5 (Drummond)
Max Vert: 32.5 (Kanter) < 33.5 (Drummond)
Bench Press: 14 (Kanter) >10 (Drummond)
Lane agility: 11.30 (Kanter) < 10.83 (Drummond)
3/4 Court sprint: 3.26 (Kanter) > 3.39 (Drummond)

What makes Andre Drummond so special is his combination of size and athleticizm. They have the same size (both are a legit 6'11'') and length (standing reach: 9'1.5'') and have almost the same max vertical (draftexpress says 33.5 inch, as well as Chad Ford tweeted the same number. He didn't get to his 38-40 inch max vertical in the combine). While Drummond would slightly beat him in lane agility, Kanter would beat Drummond in a 3/4 court sprint.

Kanter is not limited athletically. He isn't as slow as some used to claim and he can jump. His quickness isn't bad, either. He is slightly an above average athlete for a guy his size. He just isn't explosive and can't get off the ground quickly. This is his main and only weakness referring to his athletical ability. It's not about his vertical. If he could only improve this aspect of his game, he could really dominate on the offensive end. This would make him a really solid athlete with a combination of incredible strength and motor. Add his great footwork, decent athleticizm, solid touch and rebounding and you have a player with all-star caliber potential. It's so important for him to improve his explosiveness. I'm not saying he wouldn't have a chance to become a very good player, it's rather something that would make many things easier for him on the offensive end. Still, I think that he has better potential that Drummond because of his motor. I'd still take Kanter over Drummond any day. Kanter isn't as unathletic as some people say, while he isn't a great athlete, neither. But saying he wouldn't be athletic as a guy in a 6'11'' and 270 frame, is a joke! He is a decent athlete, period.
 
What's their standing vertical?


I think it was only 26 or 27. He has to improve this to the 29/30 mark, if possible. Let's see what the P3 brings. He has to improve his explosiveness. With his size and strength, he should be able to dunk the ball without jumping high but quickly (Shaq was not outjumping people, but his elite level strength and explosiveness, even when he was older, should be what Kanter has to work on). Drummond has a standing vertical of 31.
 
The combine really needs to develop a way to measure jumping speed/springiness. That is far more important than being able to jump higher.
 
The combine really needs to develop a way to measure jumping speed/springiness. That is far more important than being able to jump higher.

Yes. I assume it would be difficult to accurately and consistently measure, but two like verts can have very different results in game situations. How quickly do they reach max vert? How much do they have to bend and swing into the jump to get there?

In other words, I agree.
 
"He went 21-plus minutes on the treadmill test, and only five guys -- plus Enes -- [did that] and four of them were guards," Ergul told SI.com. "[NBA officials] said that was the first time in the draft in modern history that had happened, that no 6-11-plus guys ever finished 21-minutes-plus on the treadmill test ..."

Add that to the list, he's got endurance!
 
"He went 21-plus minutes on the treadmill test, and only five guys -- plus Enes -- [did that] and four of them were guards," Ergul told SI.com. "[NBA officials] said that was the first time in the draft in modern history that had happened, that no 6-11-plus guys ever finished 21-minutes-plus on the treadmill test ..."

Add that to the list, he's got endurance!

Yep .. by the way, I always cringe when I see your username as the most recent poster in a thread .. then I realize there's no 'n' in front of your name and I'm relieved.
 
"He went 21-plus minutes on the treadmill test, and only five guys -- plus Enes -- [did that] and four of them were guards," Ergul told SI.com. "[NBA officials] said that was the first time in the draft in modern history that had happened, that no 6-11-plus guys ever finished 21-minutes-plus on the treadmill test ..."

Add that to the list, he's got endurance!

When you sit out a whole year you spend a lot of time on treadmills.
 
I think there is some hope for Kanter.

Warning: semi bragging ahead....


When I was sophmore in high school is when I learned to dunk. I could easily do it two hands but off one leg. I could only barely touch the rim off two feet. Fast forward to when I was about 20 I could jump just has high off two feet. I could two hand dunk both ways.

Moral of the story is... I think Kanter jumped off one leg in max vert and used two in the no step vert. I think it is possible that he could get that no step vert up from 26 inches to his 33 max vert, possibly 36(best case).

This something we really need out of him. He going to be doing a lot of putbacks off two feet.
 
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Like PKM said, I think Kanter takes a longer time to get to his peak and I'm pretty sure that's what the P3 training will help him out with.
I think it's amazing how strong Kanter is (I'm guessing one of the strongest in the NBA) at his age and with how much he can run (treadmill test) and with his sprint (3.26).

Does anyone know how this sprint test works?
Like Damian Lilliard got a sprint of ~3.34 if I remember right and Kanter's is 3.23. I think I'm missing something there....Lilliard can't be slower than Kanter.
 
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Like PKM said, I think Kanter takes a longer time to get to his peak and I'm pretty sure that's what the P3 training will help him out with.
I think it's amazing how strong Kanter is (I'm guessing one of the strongest in the NBA) at his age and with how much he can run (treadmill test) and with his sprint (3.26).

Does anyone know how this sprint test works?
Like Damian Lilliard got a sprint of ~3.43 if I remember right and Kanter's is 3.34. I think I'm missing something there....Lilliard can't be slower than Kanter.

Awkward looking is the new cheetah.
 
Like PKM said, I think Kanter takes a longer time to get to his peak and I'm pretty sure that's what the P3 training will help him out with.
I think it's amazing how strong Kanter is (I'm guessing one of the strongest in the NBA) at his age and with how much he can run (treadmill test) and with his sprint (3.26).

Does anyone know how this sprint test works?
Like Damian Lilliard got a sprint of ~3.43 if I remember right and Kanter's is 3.34. I think I'm missing something there....Lilliard can't be slower than Kanter.

The guards have to run on their hands?
 
Awkward looking is the new cheetah.

I'm confused.....is Kanter the cheetah?
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As an athlete yes he was underrated as far as what I saw. From prospect to pro this guy has shown better overall athleticism than I expected. Especially strength wise. This guy could bang with the old school boys.

Whatever else he does, I know Enes will not be intimidated. If our team needs somebody to get tough this is the dude.
 
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