You know about Kanter today as much as you knew at the start of the thread. You've just started to believe some of the hype visa-vi remaining objective and looking at the hard facts. It happens all the time. That's how boxing promoters can hype up obvious mismatches, like Mosley-Pacqiao, and so on...
Enes Kanter or Brandon Knight?
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You know about Kanter today as much as you knew at the start of the thread. You've just started to believe some of the hype visa-vi remaining objective and looking at the hard facts. It happens all the time. That's how boxing promoters can hype up obvious mismatches, like Mosley-Pacqiao, and so on...
I disagree Borat. I know a lot more now then I did when I voted. The things that turned me off about him were possible injury concerns and lack of playing/being ready to play. At the combine he prove that he was healthy and more than ready to play. I haven't bought into any hype. Just looking at what he has done this week I think that you have to put him over Knight now.
Listen, Ben, I also like hearing that PKM watched some pick-up game where he thought Kanter did well, when NBA players were involved. And btw, thanks a lot PKM for this info. I also liked that Calipari said he would pick Kanter #1. That his agent said he did well at the treadmill run, that he came in at 6-11 260 with 6% body fat. All of that is nice. But at the same time we get comments like "DraftExpress: NBA exec: If you were watching Enes Kanter or Nikola Vucevic for the 1st time yesterday, close your eyes and pick one of them from 10-20" It just depends whom you choose to believe. And that's the problem, there is no real game data to look at. Everything else just counts for so little, which is why I said you don't know much more now than before this thread started. Just because all the info collected is just not that valuable. The only data I was able to collect that shows Kanter's performance over a sustained period of time is his HS performance. From his profile on nbadraft.net: "Played one year of high school ball at Stoneridge Prep in Simi Valley, California and was somewhat inconsistent." In other words, after HS he was not considered a top guy. Knight was. After HS, Kanter player in one all star type game (and did very well in it, but still). He had a whole year at HS and was not considered by scouts based on his entire year's performance as the top guy, like Knight. Then he sat entire year, and couldn't even practice this year, while Knight, who WAS top guy in HS, led his team to #3 ranking in NCAA. All of the sudden, because of that 1 all star game, having not played in College, and not being considered top prospect after HS, Kanter is #3? While Knight, who WAS top HS prospect, and led his team as a freshman to #3 in NCAA is a chump? I don't think so. Hype, that's all this is, hype. That's how you get record crowd to watch Pacman vs Mosley, even though if you just focus on results, it's a mismatch, which shouldn't have been made.
The Thriller
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Gotta love the homers for these people...
To homers, Knight's ceiling is limitless. They ignore his lack of PG skills, athleticism, and shot selection. They think that since he played under Cal that he's Rose or something.
Kanter meanwhile, is the next big thing. He's going to be at least as good as Love or Boozer. In reality, maybe he'll be Al Horford (ugh... Not very good folks).
This draft sucks.
To homers, Knight's ceiling is limitless. They ignore his lack of PG skills, athleticism, and shot selection. They think that since he played under Cal that he's Rose or something.
Kanter meanwhile, is the next big thing. He's going to be at least as good as Love or Boozer. In reality, maybe he'll be Al Horford (ugh... Not very good folks).
This draft sucks.
trigg3r
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I disagree. We have no idea what these guys will be able to do good or bad. Kanter could be a very good big. He could also be a complete bust. Knight could be a very good PG. He could also be a bust. We won't have any idea until we see them in action against other NBA players.
I'll admit I have warmed up to Kanter a bit, but I still support Knight over Kanter. The Jazz will have a tough choice on their hands.
Are you talking about the same Al Horford that everyone else is?
Kyrie Irving could still be awesome. As far as I'm concerned, the only wrong pick for our team is Kanter. We just don't need that redundancy.
underKANTER
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which redundancy? al jefferson?
Another big. Assuming we're note actively shopping one or more of them already. 96 minutes / 5 people is a terrible idea.
If we draft Kanter to keep him I dont think there is any doubt that we will look to trade one of our other bigs.
Painful as it may be, it has to be Millsap. Unless he can suddenly play SF.
Actually, that's what we should do.
Draft Kanter. So Jefferson, Favors, Kanter as our 3 main bigs.
Keep Millsap as our SF.
Done.
Levenspiel
New Member
Hello all.
I'm a Turkish user, who also has his doubts about Kanter's NBA future. Mainly because he didn't face any real competition in the USA, as you guys suggested. But you should not overlook his dominance against the biggest Euro prospects of his age group. Check his numbers in 2009 U18 EC against Lithuanian Valanciunas (35/19 vs 14/5) & (22/12@20/5); and against Serbian Dejan Musli (32/25 vs 14/11). And as for another comparison I've seen here: European bball fans will tell you, Koufos was nowhere as dominant.
Anyway, good luck to the Jazz in the draft.
I'm a Turkish user, who also has his doubts about Kanter's NBA future. Mainly because he didn't face any real competition in the USA, as you guys suggested. But you should not overlook his dominance against the biggest Euro prospects of his age group. Check his numbers in 2009 U18 EC against Lithuanian Valanciunas (35/19 vs 14/5) & (22/12@20/5); and against Serbian Dejan Musli (32/25 vs 14/11). And as for another comparison I've seen here: European bball fans will tell you, Koufos was nowhere as dominant.
Anyway, good luck to the Jazz in the draft.
Coloradojazzfan
Active Member
I really like how Kanter catches the ball up high and keeps the ball up high for the finish, it seems instinctual for him. Skilled bigs are had to come by, I mean imagine if Fesenko had hands like that when he was 19.
BENTLEY
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Welcome to the board, Levenspiel.
Another point in favor in Kanter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
He can make a mean Turkish Doner. For those of you that don't know what a Doner is, it's basically a better version (imo, and many others)
version of the gyro. Meat varies, but it comes in warm pita bread. Perfect drunk food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
He can make a mean Turkish Doner. For those of you that don't know what a Doner is, it's basically a better version (imo, and many others)
version of the gyro. Meat varies, but it comes in warm pita bread. Perfect drunk food.
I second the yum. I had a ton of those while a missionary in Germany..
DRAFT HIM.
I had a dorum doner in the red light district in Hamburg a couple of months ago. Probably the best food I had that entire tour.
Damn, you were wrong.