Enes Kanter vs Jonas Valančiūnas

[CAKAR]

Lots of ifs. You guys think that given minutes it is a sure fact that Kanter will rebound over 12per game? Keep in mind his rebounding is down this season and it is mostly vs second units. Only game he started and played 30+ minutes he grabbed 8 rebounds. And it was blowout win vs not even top rebounding team.

ähhmm, becausse he is a much bigger talent on rebounding than his National Teammade Omar Asik and Omar Asik is picking down almost 12 boards a game. Maybe becausse of this ? His rebounding is going down, becausse of Corbins order, to run at fastbreaks quite early. He grabbed 4.2 last season with 13 minutes a game, with 19 years and you are so smart to compare him with Pekovic, who is a very poor rebounding Big.

Enes Kanter on rebounding...

Ceiling: 12(-15)+ boards a game
Likely: 12 boards a game
Floor: 10 boards a game

 

[MVP]

ähhmm, becausse he is a much bigger talent on rebounding than his National Teammade Omar Asik and Omar Asik is picking down almost 12 boards a game. Maybe becausse of this ?

Thats only speculation without any base. How do you judge that he is better rebounding talent then Asik? Asik is taller, has longer wingspan and standing reach and is heavier. And they both can't jump.
When Kanter will be starting and playing vs starting units and grabbing 12+ rebs a game then you can state that he is better rebounding talent then Asik, at this point it is useless speculations.

 

[MVP]

For the record I think Val is a really good prospect too, but he probably needs 2-3 years to fill out his upper body and become a consistant post player.

and that was my point - that's why I believe that when that happens he will be better player then Kanter.

 

[MVP]

you are so smart to compare him with Pekovic, who is a very poor rebounding Big.

Pekovic averaging 8.1 reb a game while sharing frontcourt with best rebounder in NBA. Thats not poor my friend.

 

[CAKAR]

Pekovic averaging 8.1 reb a game while sharing frontcourt with best rebounder in NBA. Thats not poor my friend.

Are you not watching the Minnesota games ?

He was averaging not more than 7 boards a game even playing without Kevin Love on his side for 11 games this Season. Pekovic´s numbers increased after Love returned to the starting line up. I think it´s easier to get O rebounds for him, becausse the oppenents are concentrated to much, on outboxing Love.

Are you a joke ?

Enes Kanter averaged 5 boards a game in 15 minutes a game last Season on his first 39 games, before his playing time got cut down by Corbin to nearly under 11 minutes a game. That´s Kanter with 19 years, as a rookie with a very big leck of playing time the last 2 years. Pekovic is grabbing 5 boards a game on 22 minutes a game through his entire NBA career.
Kanter grabbed 11 boards on his first NBA game in 21 minutes and grabbed 10 boards in 16 minutes against the Spurs on a play-off game. If anything on Kanter is on elite Level right now, then it´s rebounding.
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Ok can JV become a more dominant player than Kanter already is ? You are talking about that JV will full fill his body, but Kanter has already proven that he can work with it on a much more effektive way. Before they played against each other, you maintained that JV is taller and heavier than Kanter right know and yet you are using his weak body as an excuse why he is sucking on the Raptors ?
Jes in 3-4 years JV can be much stronger than he is right now, but can you just imagine how strong Kanter can get ? Bynum had problems moving away Kanter as he was a 19 year old Kid, Howard had problems with it this year, but how they will deal with Kanter when he is completely grown ?

 

[berkkobe]

get it over guys akmvp is more "un". I have never seen a guy like him, what a homer. Jv can be a good player. Enes kanter can be a good player. They can
both turn into busts.

 

[CAKAR]

get it over guys akmvp is more "un". I have never seen a guy like him, what a homer. Jv can be a good player. Enes kanter can be a good player. They can
both turn into busts.

Oh you are from turkey ? I can speak turkish,too. Ok just a bit. "jeramin utschu" what did that mean, bro ?

 

[MVP]

Enes Kanter averaged 5 boards a game in 15 minutes a game last Season on his first 39 games,

Playing vs second units mostly. And half of those rebounds where his own missed/botched easy layups.

Bynum had problems moving away Kanter as he was a 19 year old Kid, Howard had problems with it this year, but how they will deal with Kanter when he is completely grown ?

Well, Bynum scored 33 pts that game, not sure he had any problems. Howard this season is not even half the player he used to be I would not look into that as some kind of predicting factor.
And Kanter already stopped growing ( physically) long time ago. He was 6'11/260lbs when he was 18 year old. He may add more muscles but I doubt it will change anything.

 

[MVP]

you maintained that JV is taller and heavier than Kanter right know and yet you are using his weak body as an excuse why he is sucking on the Raptors ?

He is not sucking, what are you smoking? Kanter played 4 times more games in NBA then JV and yet JV has more 3X more double doubles and better career high in pts. And it is not like his body is weak now - it is clear evidence that he is still growing into it and will put more weight on his frame in the future.
And when that happens in 3 years we can return to this topic and see who was right or wrong ok? Peace.

 

[CAKAR]

Do you know nothing else than excuses ?

And you are lying Kanter was listet 2.08 on this tournament and JV was already listed as 2.13

www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_61806.html


Valanciunas was more than 2 inches taller on this tournament, but it didn´t stop Kanter to make him his wife.

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce...ndID_6826.season_2009.gameID_6826-63-A-1.html

Favors defended him most of that game, but on their matchups it was easily too see that both had equal strenghts just imagine that Kanter was just 19. It will help up JV to be a better player, but It doesn´t help Kanter who could be the strongest player in the NBA in 2-4 years ? Are you high ?

 

[CAKAR]

He is not sucking, what are you smoking? Kanter played 4 times more games in NBA then JV and yet JV has more 3X more double doubles and better career high in pts. And it is not like his body is weak now - it is clear evidence that he is still growing into it and will put more weight on his frame in the future.
And when that happens in 3 years we can return to this topic and see who was right or wrong ok? Peace.

ON a team with Favors, AL and Millsap JV would dissapear with a lot of DNP´s. JV was planed as a starter, but he´s just getting 22 minutes becausse he plays garbage most of his games.
JV is coming from the Euroleague Kanter did not play any basketball for a very long time until the hoopsubmit , where he dominated the best players on that draft. Even without playing time, Kanter was the more dominant and the better player.

Kanter playing NCAA BB, maybe would be the 1rst over all Pick on the 2011 draft. .

 

[Trollolololol]

Akmvp

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Cakar

 

[larryselbows]

ON a team with Favors, AL and Millsap JV would dissapear with a lot of DNP´s. JV was planed as a starter, but he´s just getting 22 minutes becausse he plays garbage most of his games.
JV is coming from the Euroleague Kanter did not play any basketball for a very long time until the hoopsubmit , where he dominated the best players on that draft. Even without playing time, Kanter was the more dominant and the better player.

Kanter playing NCAA BB, maybe would be the 1rst over all Pick on the 2011 draft. .

I don't know about that, Kyrie Irving has looked pretty solid so far, of course Mirsnickerdoodle Turckan or whatever his name is might disagree.

 

[CAKAR]

I don't know about that, Kyrie Irving has looked pretty solid so far, of course Mirsnickerdoodle Turckan or whatever his name is might disagree.

Irving is the best player on this draft right know, there is no doubt about it. But, espacially in college Kanter would get monstrous Stats, becausse he was to dominant on his age group back than. Irving and Kanter would enter the Draft as the top prospects and normally in the NBA the teams are choosing the BIG-MAN. Kanter has tremendous talent, I can´t remember any other player who was 3rd overall, with a leck of playing time, for around 2 years ?


Oh man, you are very funny fat ***, IF you have no knowledge about European basketball, than it´s not my fault. Do you even now where europe is ? Oh man, even my native countrymans from Ruanda are more educated than you. hmmm,BUT, Charles Barkley would disagree, too.

Charles Barkley: "I thought Enes Kanter was the best player in the draft"

 

[larryselbows]

Irving is the best player on this draft right know, there is no doubt about it. But, espacially in college Kanter would get monstrous Stats, becausse he was to dominant on his age group back than. Irving and Kanter would enter the Draft as the top prospects and normally in the NBA the teams are choosing the BIG-MAN. Kanter has tremendous talent, I can´t remember any other player who was 3rd overall, with a leck of playing time, for around 2 years ?


Oh man, you are very funny fat ***, IF you have no knowledge about European basketball, than it´s not my fault. Do you even now where europe is ? Oh man, even my native countrymans from Ruanda are more educated than you. hmmm,BUT, Charles Barkley would disagree, too.

Charles Barkley: "I thought Enes Kanter was the best player in the draft"

Well that escalated quickly!

 

[Ben10]

I can´t remember any other player who was 3rd overall, with a leck of playing time, for around 2 years ?

I can, Derrick Favors

 

[MVP]

And you are lying Kanter was listet 2.08 on this tournament and JV was already listed as 2.13

www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_61806.html


Valanciunas was more than 2 inches taller on this tournament, but it didn´t stop Kanter to make him his wife.

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce...ndID_6826.season_2009.gameID_6826-63-A-1.html

Thats nonsense. He was 2.10 at best at that time and that data most be updated as their recent high. He was listed as 2.11 prior draft and during last European Championship in 2011, did he shrunk and then got back to 213cm this year again? Look at pictures from tourney and see who was bigger or stronger 3 years ago and who already was mature and developed. Jonas was long and skinny kid, probably no more then 200lbs at that time, Kanter was a man already. And you somehow forget that they played two games in that tourney vs each other and other game was basically a draw - 20pts vs 22pts.

Kanter 3 years ago:

JV 3 years ago:

 

[Dr. Jones]

^^^ Just find a new team. We don't need to follow AK, we don't need to be convinced the Cavs got our pick .. just go the **** away.

 

[jazzfan32]

AKMVP, your comments are full of stupidity, idiocity creamed with ignorance. How can you tell that Enes Kanter, a 20 year old man would stop growing while another 20 years old man (JV) would continue to grow? In one of your comments in this thread, you accused another user of not knowing/understanding science and technology. I suggest that you first go get some understanding of science and biology and then start making claims, which would be hopefully more rational. And the pictures that you attached does not help proving anything at all because I have seen people in their mid 20s yet looking like 17 years old.

Thats nonsense. He was 2.10 at best at that time and that data most be updated as their recent high. He was listed as 2.11 prior draft and during last European Championship in 2011, did he shrunk and then got back to 213cm this year again? Look at pictures from tourney and see who was bigger or stronger 3 years ago and who already was mature and developed. Jonas was long and skinny kid, probably no more then 200lbs at that time, Kanter was a man already. And you somehow forget that they played two games in that tourney vs each other and other game was basically a draw - 20pts vs 22pts.


Yes since you brought up the subject I also checked out the original link sent by the user named Cakar. And if you check both Kanter's and VC's profiles you will realize

Enes Kanter: 2.08m
VC : 2.13m

from

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_62134.html

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_61806.html

How come the organization didn't update Enes's height while they updated VC's? The possibilities are that indeed he was 2.13m at that time, or the european championship organization had bad measurement devices or else they took the data from Russia and russians had bad measurement devices, or as you claim they updated VC's profile while not updating Kanter's?

I also checked out a few other websites (including wikipedia, in which both show up as 2.11m (6'11), while Enes is 248 lb; JV is 231 lb) and didn't come to a conclusion about the height of VC at that time. I felt the necessity of checking out the profile of Enes Kanter from www.cnn.com and found out that Kanter's height is 2.11m (6'11"), while VC is 2.13 (7'00"). In any case Kanter has the evidence that he grow up from 2.08 to 2.11, while things are a bit commplicated for VC; I can't come to a good conclusion that he is growing; apparently here JV is showing up as 6'11"

https://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/p...ropean_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/index.html

The weights are subjected to speculations because none of the profiles related to European Championships are including this data. However, from wikipedia and cnn one can make a rough comparison that VC has jumped from 231lb to 258lb while Kanter stays steady at 248lb. Perhaps wikipedia didn't update VC's profile again whereas they updated Kanter's?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Valančiūnas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enes_Kanter

Please try to post meaningful comments, you are contradicting yourself in most cases and I'd prefer not to respond your other meaningless comments. Nevertheless, I find your comments very entertaining. I guess the other users of this forum are having a lot of fun too...

 

[jazzfan32]

AKMVP, your comments are full of stupidity, idiocity creamed with ignorance. How can you tell that Enes Kanter, a 20 year old man would stop growing while another 20 years old man (JV) would continue to grow? In one of your comments in this thread, you accused another user of not knowing/understanding science and technology. I suggest that you first go get some understanding of science and biology and then start making claims, which would be hopefully more rational. And the pictures that you attached does not help proving anything at all because I have seen people at mid 20s yet looking like 18 years old.

Thats nonsense. He was 2.10 at best at that time and that data most be updated as their recent high. He was listed as 2.11 prior draft and during last European Championship in 2011, did he shrunk and then got back to 213cm this year again? Look at pictures from tourney and see who was bigger or stronger 3 years ago and who already was mature and developed. Jonas was long and skinny kid, probably no more then 200lbs at that time, Kanter was a man already. And you somehow forget that they played two games in that tourney vs each other and other game was basically a draw - 20pts vs 22pts.


Yes since you brought up the subject I also checked out the original link sent by the user named Cakar. And if you check both Kanter's and VC's profiles you will realize

Enes Kanter: 2.08m
VC : 2.13m

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_61806.html

https://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce....season_2009.roundID_6826.playerID_62134.html

How come the organization didn't update Enes's height while they updated VC's? The possibilities are that indeed he was 2.13m at that time, or the european championship organization had bad measurement devices or else they took the data from Russia and russians had bad measurement devices, or the euro organization updated VC's profile whereas they didn't update Kanter's as you claim?

I also checked out a few other websites (including wikipedia, in which both show up as 2.11m (6'11)) and didn't come to a conclusion about the height of VC at that time. I felt the necessity of checking out the profile of Enes Kanter from www.cnn.com and found out that Kanter's height is 2.11m (6'11") now, while VC is 2.13 (7'00"). Kanter has the evidence that he grow up from 2.08 to 2.11 (or steady at 2.11 perhaps if you discard euro league data), while things are a bit commplicated for VC; I can't come to a good conclusion that he is growing. Apparently, he is showing up as 6'11" here:

https://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/p...ropean_Championship_Men_DIVISION_A/index.html

It seems like the euro organizations do not include the weights and this is subject to speculations. However, from the wikipedia pages and the nba profileson cnn; one can see that VC jumps from 248lb to 257lb while Enes Kanter stays steady at 248lb. Perhaps they didn't update the profile of VC in wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Valančiūnas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enes_Kanter

https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4899/index.html

https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4886/index.html

Based on cnn's profile, I can see that VC has already a grown up to man's weight and height yet he plays like a soft garbage player in Raptors. Please try to post meaningful comments, you are contradicting yourself mostly anyway and I'd prefer not to respond to your other meaningless claims. Nevertheless, I find your comments very entertaining. I guess the other users of this forum are having a lot of fun too...