Enes Kanter vs Jonas Valančiūnas
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Hey, I am the wrong person to ask this question why data is screwed up in FIBA page - look at Eurobasket 2011 page - same high for both of them as in 2009. But I have been following Valanciunas career long before he was drafted and trust me, he was not listed as 2.13 at that time anywhere.
In Europe most of basketball websites and organizations give players high without shoes, thus Kanter is listed at 2.08 which is his right height without shoes. Not sure why JV is 2.13 there as it looks to me that they put his data with shoes or as they do it in NBA.
At any point you must agree with me that people mature differently. Some will have facial hair growing at 14 years and some at 18. Just looking at body types from 3 years ago you can tell that Enes Kanter matured very early while JV much later - which is common trend among south and north european boys ( don't throw at me racist card as it was done before - it is what it is no matter how you argue that ) . Look at Kosta Koufos - he was so dominant at his age due to extremely early maturity that he posted most dominant numbers in U-18 history but that did not translate into men's leagues. That's why I was so skeptical about Kanter prior draft - he was just so much stronger then anybody at U-18 level that it was not really a good indication about how he will perform vs men.
I won't buy this because Europian basketball organizations are professional enough to set a standard to include the physical data of players, especially at the Europian level (I can't comment on national leagues though). Although I agree that Euroleague is not as big an organization as NBA, I don't think they would make this kind of a mistake. Perhaps the data is coming from Russia and they felt the necessity of playing with JV's profile, which is also a speculation (from me).
You claim that Enes has already matured and JV didn't yet. And you claimed that when this happens JV would be a better player than Enes, which is a very meaningless claim based on your dreams. Cnn's data already show that JV is bigger than Enes. Then again you claim that Enes is (or was) looking bigger and more grown up? Let me tell what my impression is on JV based on his data. He looks like quiete a grown big man, yet he plays soft and gargabe in Raptors as of now.
I don't want to deal with your other comments because they are not worthy of taking seriously.
CAKAR
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IF you are a jazzfan why you are trying desperately, to prove that your JV guy is a better player than OUR Kanter ? Even after Kanter dominated him game after game when they played against each other ? Kanter is a freak of nature with his strenght in this age, his bones are burly as hell and JV will not even get close into the strenght level in which Enes Kanter will get. You´re complaining against us, that we are just speculate about something, but all of your statements are just baised on speculation, becausse Kanter kicked Jonas *** every game they played against each other.
IF you are a jazzfan why you are trying desperately, to prove that your JV guy is a better player than OUR Kanter ? Even after Kanter dominated him game after game when they played against each other ? Kanter is a freak of nature with his strenght in this age, his bones are burly as hell and JV will not even get close into the strenght level in which Enes Kanter will get. You´re complaining against us, that we are just speculate about something, but all of your statements are just baised on speculation, becausse Kanter kicked Jonas *** every game they played against each other.
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The Black Swordsman
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According to AKMVP raw and unrefined means that they have more potential which means they are better! Lets assume that Jonas is indeed an inch taller (which I doubt but whatever) that is where you are going all your data that he has more potential. **** look at Jabbar or Olajuwon they were skinny and didn't do bad. You cannot use the excuse Jonas is skinny for much longer.
AKMVP was using the fact that Jonas has a really high FT percent for so long before the draft. Now that Kanter has a higher % he is backed into a corner and has yet to put up a defensible argument.
AKMVP was using the fact that Jonas has a really high FT percent for so long before the draft. Now that Kanter has a higher % he is backed into a corner and has yet to put up a defensible argument.
MVP
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You asked to discuss and now you do not like different opinion then yours? Why even bother making a thread like that then?
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It is going to change, difference is only 0.5% now. Jonas was always 80% FT shooter, few bad shooting games he had means nothing in big picture. I can bet that at the end of the season JV will have better FT% then Kanter.
I don't think that this is a post where you can make bets or gamble based on personal speculations (I am new in here though perhaps it is normal to make bets?).
You don't understand cakar's view at all. He was mentioning about the present situation of both player's that Jazz was apparently considering. Your comments do not appropriately fit into this thread. Your comments are mostly based on your personal biased dreams and have nothing to do with the player's present stats.
I don't think that this is a post where you can make bets or gamble based on personal speculations (I am new in here though perhaps it is normal to make bets?).
You don't understand cakar's view at all. He was mentioning about the present situation of both player's that Jazz was apparently considering. Your biased comments do not appropriately fit into this thread. Your comments are mostly based on your personal biased dreams and have nothing to do with the player's present stats.
After all this talk it comes down to a nail-biter FT%, lol.
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so lets talk seriously - OP wanted to discuss Kanter and JV. So now because I think JV is better prospect then Kanter I am getting thrown to wolves? WTF is wrong with you people?! Somehow others posting that P. George is going to better player then Hayward are not getting so much heat like me.
Pathetic biased homers. I am done with this topic. I will come back to this after JV will play in his first All star game and you all be calling for KOC and Corbin's head for not drafting him.
Just to remind that somehow AK haters got very silent after he is having successful season with Wolves. Thriller or Numberica or somebody else said Hayward is 100X better then AK and that Marvin Williams will have better impact on Jazz then AK on Wolves? ROFL, pathetic homers who have no clue about basketball. I WAS RIGHT and I WILL BE RIGHT AGAIN!
Pathetic biased homers. I am done with this topic. I will come back to this after JV will play in his first All star game and you all be calling for KOC and Corbin's head for not drafting him.
Just to remind that somehow AK haters got very silent after he is having successful season with Wolves. Thriller or Numberica or somebody else said Hayward is 100X better then AK and that Marvin Williams will have better impact on Jazz then AK on Wolves? ROFL, pathetic homers who have no clue about basketball. I WAS RIGHT and I WILL BE RIGHT AGAIN!
CAKAR
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I had spoken about the better player RIGHT NOW you just has missed the topic. Kanter made JV his wife every game they played against each other, as a JAZZFAN normally you have to be happy about that, becausse he is OUR player. But you are desparatly trying to find excuses and just are speculating abouthis future on a visionary base. RIGHT NOW Kanter is the better player and in the past he was the much better player,too.
And you can´t miss that Kanter is the MUCH BIGGER prospect, JV is just a joke in front of him.
Charles Barkley: "I thought Enes Kanter was the best player in the draft"
– Barkley said if he had the No. 1 overall pick, he would have taken big man Enes Kanter.
Very interesting about Enes...
https://www.tornbysports.com/enes-kanter-top-5-reasons-hes-the-best-player-from-the-draft/
I had spoken about the better player RIGHT NOW you just has missed the topic. Kanter made JV his wife every game they played against each other, as a JAZZFAN normally you have to be happy about that, becausse he is OUR player. But you are desparatly trying to find excuses and just are speculating abouthis future on a visionary base. RIGHT NOW Kanter is the better player and in the past he was the much better player,too.
And you can´t miss that Kanter is the MUCH BIGGER prospect, JV is just a joke in front of him.
Charles Barkley: "I thought Enes Kanter was the best player in the draft"
– Barkley said if he had the No. 1 overall pick, he would have taken big man Enes Kanter.
Very interesting about Enes...
https://www.tornbysports.com/enes-kanter-top-5-reasons-hes-the-best-player-from-the-draft/