Enes kanter will be traded

[Mission Accomplished]

Maybe you decrease his minutes a little then, sure i get that
but 16 against memphis and 23 last night is a bit too much just for matchups imo. Plus last night burks was playing quite well (though so was jefferson)....If they are both playing well then i would think that you go with burks since he is under contract next year and jefferson has publicly stated that he wants to sign on with a contender and go after a ring so he wont be back.

But i do think corbin still thinks of vets as a safer bet (security blanket) in close games and so his instinct is to go with jefferson over burks. He is defaulting to vets less though.

Also i think corbin really really likes jefferson, and in interviews i have heard he does seem like a great guy, and has never been a big fan of burks so it makes some sense why he would choose jefferson over burks. I just dont like it.

The problem isn't that Burks and Jefferson were playing well. It was that Hayward who sucked it up last night like most nights he touches the floor stole Burks minutes in the 4th and he didn't do anything. I'm ok with it because I root for the tank. But, have you noticed how we are always trying to make Hayward the go to guy. Why not Burke or Burks in the forth give them the game winning opportunities.

 

[fishonjazz]

Your own admission that Corbin is using vets less [as the younger guys have grown better] shatters this cliché that has tirelessly stuck to Corbin from day one.

Bottom line is fans way overestimated the talent in a few young guys and haven't been honest with themselves about it yet.

I dont think he is using vets less as the young guys have gotten better

I think he is using vets less as the vets have turned into john lucas, mike harris, andres biedrins, richard jefferson, dionte garrett, jeremy evans and the rest of the roster surrounding the Core 4...... oh and he still isn't playing kanter and burks as much as he actually should be.

Has he improved on his vet love? sure..... but its still a problem. Just gets complained about less now because its not as bad as was when it got complained about alot more often + plus he has less decent vets to turn too.

Trade biedrins, lucas, evans for heinrich, landry, tony allen and say bye bye to minutes for burks, hayward, favors, and kanter.

 

[Siro]

Evans is one of the vets? I don't even know why I come here anymore.

 

[franklin]

I dont think he is using vets less as the young guys have gotten better

I think he is using vets less as the vets have turned into john lucas, mike harris, andres biedrins, richard jefferson, dionte garrett, jeremy evans and the rest of the roster surrounding the Core 4...... oh and he still isn't playing kanter and burks as much as he actually should be.

Has he improved on his vet love? sure..... but its still a problem. Just gets complained about less now because its not as bad as was when it got complained about alot more often + plus he has less decent vets to turn too.

Trade biedrins, lucas, evans for heinrich, landry, tony allen and say bye bye to minutes for burks, hayward, favors, and kanter.

There's always a way to spin it; I didn't think taking credit away from Burks' growth would be the angle taken.

 

[fishonjazz]

Evans is one of the vets? I don't even know why I come here anymore.

Not one of the core 4 (which is what most of the corbin bitchin has been about)

 

[fishonjazz]

There's always a way to spin it

Truth

 

[LunaticWolf]

Bottom line is fans way overestimated the talent in a few young guys and haven't been honest with themselves about it yet.

Exactly.

I wouldn't say talent though. Fans just expected them to play like they were all in their primes, not like young rookies.

 

[GVC]

Ya it was probably just coincedence that kanters minutes went way up when favors got in foul trouble.
Im sure corbin planned on giving kanter over 30 minutes all along due to matchups.

Did you even read my post? First time since Kanter's last start that Kanter and Favors played together in the 4th. Corbin tried Marvin on Blake in the 1st half, so I don't think foul trouble explains this. Corbin went with Kanter at least in part because of matchups and quality of play.

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

I haven't been on here much lately, but I have praised Corbin during that limited time. I thought the team was totally lost 15 games into the season, but he's been able to pull them around into some nice bball. That couldn't have been easy, and it's almost definitely a sign that he's a good locker room guy and communicator.

So, Ty can probably be a good coach.

Great coaches in today's NBA are also good at situational coaching. I give Corbin pretty low marks in this aspect. (Sloan wasnt very good either tbh).

 

[addictionary]

Maybe you yes, but there are too many fans in bad faith in this site...

Nobody has to have faith in a player that didn't show the quality of a 3rd overall draft pick in his first 3 years. Not that he didn't show anything, he did show some amazing talents that you cannot see from any guy in his size. But you can't blame people who grow tired and eventually fall to impatience for his still-to-come success. 20/20 game was the game holding Kanter up among all the other performances. It says, this guy can be big. And I too believe he will be big. But I fear that may be in another team, if Corbin is unsatisfied with him and is thinking of removing him.

@Gameface; coaches teach basketball even if you are 35 bro. If you've been to one of'em scrimmages or drills, watch one of the coaches do his thing, you've been to them all. They boss you around. It is the healthy way to coach. Not to go complete chicken-**** on the veterans.

 

[fishonjazz]

Did you even read my post? First time since Kanter's last start that Kanter and Favors played together in the 4th. Corbin tried Marvin on Blake in the 1st half, so I don't think foul trouble explains this. Corbin went with Kanter at least in part because of matchups and quality of play.

I believe that without favors getting in foul trouble that kanter would have played his usual 15-20 minutes regardless of marvin getting killed by griffin or how good or bad kanter played.
You believe that kanter played so much because he performed well, marvin was a bad matchup, and favors got into foul trouble.... and i dont necessarily think you are wrong, i just feel that if favors doesnt get into foul trouble, then kanter plays his normal minutes.
No one knows who is right or wrong.

Its like frank said "Theres always a way to spin it."


Take burks career: Frank might say that foye, howard, bell, cj miles, etc etc were all better than burks and burks was not ready and his confidence would have been destroyed and he developed better from the bench. And he might be right.

I think that burks was better than those guys from the start, his development was hindered by dnp's, inconsistent minutes, inconsistent role, and his confidence affected by never getting the nod over a vet.
I might be right too.
no one knows for sure

What i do know for sure is that for whatever reason (right or wrong) corbin has a history of playing vets over young high draft picks and that upset alot of jazz fanz myself included

 

[GVC]

i just feel that if favors doesnt get into foul trouble, then kanter plays his normal minutes.
No one knows who is right or wrong.

How do you explain the 4 minutes Kanter and Favors played together in the 4th?

 

[fishonjazz]

How do you explain the 4 minutes Kanter and Favors played together in the 4th?

It all began in the first half with favors foul trouble allowing kanters solid play to get his foot in the door for those minutes in the 4th.
So I believe if favors doesn't get in foul trouble then enes never gets a good chunk of first half minutes to show what he could do and never gets those 4th quarter minutes.

So I guess I agree with you somewhat. Kanter playing well did help his cause for more minutes.

But I believe favors foul trouble is the root cause and without that, the rest is moot.
On the other hand, maybe even if kanter plays poorly he still gets some extra minutes because corbin has no choice due to the foul trouble.... though maybe a few minutes less

 

[GVC]

It all began in the first half with favors foul trouble allowing kanters solid play to get his foot in the door...

So it was his 2 additional minutes in the 2nd quarter (Blake went 3-3, Kanter didn't accumulate any stats in these 2 minutes) that led to Enes's additional 4th quarter minutes (Favors was pulled with 3 fouls with 2:26 left in the 2nd; Kanter was pulled with 0:14 left in the 2nd)? That makes no sense.

 

[fishonjazz]

So it was his 2 additional minutes in the 2nd quarter (Blake went 3-3, Kanter didn't accumulate any stats in these 2 minutes) that led to Enes's additional 4th quarter minutes (Favors was pulled with 3 fouls with 2:26 left in the 2nd; Kanter was pulled with 0:14 left in the 2nd)? That makes no sense.

You are right

 

[GVC]

You're no fun.

Anyone else catch Corbin's post-game comments about Kanter?

"He played a good game on both ends of the floor...He was the beast that we’re looking forward to him being."

 

[fishonjazz]

You're no fun.

Anyone else catch Corbin's post-game comments about Kanter?

"He played a good game on both ends of the floor...He was the beast that we’re looking forward to him being."

For real though.
You did convince me that last night he made the right move for the right reasons.
I got no further arguement

 

[Diamond77]

Nobody has to have faith in a player that didn't show the quality of a 3rd overall draft pick in his first 3 years. Not that he didn't show anything, he did show some amazing talents that you cannot see from any guy in his size. But you can't blame people who grow tired and eventually fall to impatience for his still-to-come success. 20/20 game was the game holding Kanter up among all the other performances. It says, this guy can be big. And I too believe he will be big. But I fear that may be in another team, if Corbin is unsatisfied with him and is thinking of removing him.

I don't agree that he still didn't show his talent in his 3 years. He has a huge excusing because he didn't have the chance to play in college and this is the main reason why his development is slow.

Jazz drafted him for his potential. Nobody expected of him to have a devastating impact in his first 2-3 years.

He has improved his stats every year although not being counted as a starter and not getting big minutes.

I understand people has big expectations with him, but he is only 21 and he has big margins of improvement.

I don't like the idea that he could make the luck of another team and his years with the Jazz uniform remembered just as an apprenticeship in Nba.

We all have seen against the Clippers that his problem is the lack of confidence and the demotivation. The main role of the coach is to motivate the players and put them in the best position to perform well. Everyone saw that Enes played better as starter so if he struggles so much coming off the bench, you have to move him again in the starting lineup. Maybe his self-confidence is higher when he begins the games or maybe he is the kind of player that have difficulty to gear at games underway. I remember something similar with Kirilenko too.

If the Jazz don’t want to rely on Enes because of management choice or future salary cup, then they don't have to poke fun at Kanter nor the fans. I don’t believe to the story that he is just not good enough and neither I believe that his suddenly incompatible with Favors. Playing Enes more minutes it is not synonym of loss.

Invest in Burks and Hayward at the expense of Kanter would be a big mistake.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Kanter is still averaging over 11 pts for the year on limited minutes.. id say thats far better than most Cs and PFs who wind up busting.

He aint bein traded.. quit with the delusions.

 

[CAKAR]

They are always talking about Favors and Kanter not able to play with each other because they can not guard stretch 4 players. But they forget that most of stretch 4 players also will have a hard time guarding one of them in the paint. Marvin Williams also was a miss-match gainst Blake with his 3 point shot, but it did not work and Marvin was not even nearly able to guard Griffin. So we had to change the line up and go BIG with Kanter.
Kanter played the best Defense, he played this year. He stopped Blake a few Times, but Blake is an ALL-Star and he had a Big o GAME that night. Even Favors was not able to guard him and he was supposed to be a defensive stud.

Most of the time Kanter is guarded by the Center and Favors guarded by the PF. So if Favors can use the missmatch against stretch 4 players better and if Kanter could hit solid from 3 point range, then both of them could be deadly.