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ESPN Insider Article Re: Future of Jazz and Nuggets

Some interesting thing in the article that compares Favors to Jermaine O'Neal:

All-Stars Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal rank among Favors' four most similar players at the same age from the SCHOENE Projection System. O'Neal might be the best comparison. If Favors follows a similar development path, he'll be ready for his close-up in 2013-14. By then, players similar to Favors averaged 6.8 wins above replacement, a projection that puts Favors among the league's top 20 players that season.
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Thnx, I would definitely be okay with Jermaine minus a few of his mental issues, getting friends insider login to read this..... err not friends cause that would be illegal it's mine honest, I mean c'mon we all know I have no friends.
 
Pretty solid analysis.
Denver: Chandler, Gallinari and Felton are very good players, but not superstars. Who are their "go-to" guys: Nene? J.R. Smith? An aging KMart? Barring future deals, I see Denver stuck in the 5-8 playoff spot. Good enough to win 50 games, but without enough great players to be a contender. And just making the playoffs is terrible as you'll rarely get a franchise player in the late teens.

Utah: Favors and Kanter have the potential to be superstars. Burks probably becomes a player like Chandler or Gallinari. And Harris = Felton.

The key word, though, is "potential." Denver wanted an immediate return. Greg and KOC were willing to take a chance. Favors was languishing on the bench in NJ. I'll bet some GM's considered him a bust. After all, if you can't even earn minutes in NJ, how bad are you? And certainly an unnknown pick (likely 7-10 based on the Nets' standing at the time) in a weak draft couldn't have much value.

Now would we still feel the same if the trade had netted us the #10 pick, or worse, had Deron been able to lead the Nets into the playoffs and we ended up with the #12 and #15 picks in the draft? Is Harris, Favors, Burks and say, Kawhi Leonard (#15) better than Chandler, Gallinari and Felton? Denver went the safer route. They got three proven players who put them in the playoffs. And that ultra-conservative franchise actually went with a high-risk, high-reward strategy. Hmmm, who woulda thunk the Jazz would do that. I bet had Larry and Jerry still been running the show, the Deron deal would not have been made. Larry would have tried everything he could, hoping til the end that he could convince Deron to stay. And Sloan would have wanted established veterans, no matter how old, so Utah could make the playoffs as the #8 seed. And that would have left the Jazz without the #12 pick.

In hindsight, Deron's attitude and the ensuing events (Sloan leaving, KOC making the big trade) may be the very thing that saves Utah from a gradual slide into mediocrity. Give the young roster a year - we may very well have a 30-win season, and then Utah could follow the same path as OKC.
 
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I thoguiht it was pretty funny that Chandler signed to China. I bet the Nuggets are pissed.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I thoguiht it was pretty funny that Chandler signed to China. I bet the Nuggets are pissed.
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Why? I believe he can still come back as soon as the NBA resumes play. China passed a law forbiding players currently under contract with an NBA team from playing for a Chinese team and then leaving. IIRC, Chandler is a RFA, so that rule does not apply to him.
 
GlassEater said:
Why? I believe he can still come back as soon as the NBA resumes play. China passed a law forbiding players currently under contract with an NBA team from playing for a Chinese team and then leaving. IIRC, Chandler is a RFA, so that rule does not apply to him.
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No, I believe Chandler is there for the whole season.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
No, I believe Chandler is there for the whole season.
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Yeah there was a thread about this somewhere and I don't feel like looking for the link but there was news put out that Chinese league would not have the out clause to allow players to return to the NBA if/whenever the lock out ends.
So if Chandler already signed that then he's locked into that no matter if the lockout ended today.

okay here is a link cause I started to doubt myself.

https://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/6907302/wilson-chandler-signs-contract-chinese-team

In addition, the CBA will not allow escape clauses that would allow players to leave the Chinese league in the event the NBA resumes operations. So Chandler would not be a part of the NBA if the season begins on time or even with an abbreviated schedule starting in January or February.
 
According to the dudes on Around The Horn, Chandler's deal ends in Mid-March, so he won't be available until after that.
 
it is not an unknown that we have better future, because nuggets have many good players but not a very good one. We have a very good group of young players, it all depends on their work how they are gonna end up. They can at least be a team like nuggets, or they can make us contenders.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Incorrect. He has a 1 million buyout, chump change for him considering the next NBA contract he is due to sign.
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I doubt he would really do that buyout if the season started in January. Might as well just finish your 3 months you have left and get paid, then sign that fat NBA contract.
 
Jermine o'neal would be a very solid peak for favors, especially if he stays healthy.

O'Neal's career really took a dive, but in his prime he was the best player on a team that was a serious contender in the east for several years, as well as one of the better defensive players in the league. Favors will likely always be a more efficient scorer however IMO.
 
The thing I don't like about the Jermaine O'Neal comparison is that it took him until he was 25 to be a stud. That was after 4 years with the team that drafted him. I don't want Favors to be O'Neal!
 
bat said:
Jermine o'neal would be a very solid peak for favors, especially if he stays healthy.

O'Neal's career really took a dive, but in his prime he was the best player on a team that was a serious contender in the east for several years, as well as one of the better defensive players in the league. Favors will likely always be a more efficient scorer however IMO.
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Did you mean to say that O'Neal will likely always be a more efficient scorer?
 
JFFR said:
The thing I don't like about the Jermaine O'Neal comparison is that it took him until he was 25 to be a stud. That was after 4 years with the team that drafted him. I don't want Favors to be O'Neal!
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You mean 22, and started kicking *** mostly because he finally started to get minutes? And you'd ever complain about getting a 20/10/2.5 big that had no holes in his game?

Yeah, I hope he's not Jermaine O'Neal as well.
 
Favors also has a bigger, seemingly stronger frame than O'Neal and perhaps better hops. Jermaine's body always sort of reminded me of a taller Merton Hanks. Not broad, not thick or particularly strong, sort of a long neck. So Favors has that goin' for him. Which is nice.
 
SalmonHobo said:
Favors also has a bigger, seemingly stronger frame than O'Neal and perhaps better hops. Jermaine's body always sort of reminded me of a taller Merton Hanks. Not broad, not thick or particularly strong, sort of a long neck. So Favors has that goin' for him. Which is nice.
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I find myself trying to read between the lines here .. hanging on every word.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You mean 22, and started kicking *** mostly because he finally started to get minutes? And you'd ever complain about getting a 20/10/2.5 big that had no holes in his game?

Yeah, I hope he's not Jermaine O'Neal as well.
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Right O'Neal didn't get minutes early on in Portland because they were stacked at the time.

Jazz don't have that problem.

BTW, before he was injured, O'Neal might have had the explosiveness that Favors has; but never the hops.
 
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