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Et tu Brute said:
So you think over the next 4 years Hood is going to be twice as valuable as X?
If X turns out to be only half as good as Hood - that would be most depressing.
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Until the last 15 games he looked like a guy that might not be in the league in a few years and yes it was depressing.

I hope he builds off of his most recent success but it is a small sample and I'd have a really hard time committing much more than the amount I stated... green has the right attitude... hopefully he's worth a max deal in a year and I expect him to wait but if it's for an extension this summer I'd be really hesitant due to small sample size.
 
Here is a question... would you give Hood the George Hill treatment... like what SA did with him?

Trade him before having to pay him and take a chance on a guy that has a higher upside? That could have blown up in the Spurs face... for every Kwahi out there there are 10 James Youngs... interesting option and I'll bet Jazzfanz would melt if we did it. Would solve some of the long term cash crunch and I think Hood has great trade value... because he's good of course.
 
If the choice is between Hood + X & Hill, you have to choose the former.
 
silesian said:
Let's call it the Harrison Barnes syndrome.
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Understand what you mean bit it's really not the same. Exum is much more in the larvae stage.

Barnes had a championship ring and a gold medal and more combined playoff appearances than the entire 2015-2016 Jazz roster, and he was 23..
 
green said:
For Exum, I'm in the AK/Hayward category with him...let him play out next season. He is a RFA, let him go earn it.
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Not me. For the following reasons:

1. Jazz are perpetually disadvantaged with free agents. So the Undefeated wrote some long think piece about being black in Salt Lake. Spoiler alert, it's pretty boring and sucks if you're a single black dude that's under 30.

2. We all realize that this strategy is precisely why the Jazz could lose Hayward with nothing to show for it? Lindsey said, "Great question, Gordon. Go out and see if you can negotiate a max deal and we'll match it." So then Hayward went and negotiated a max deal with the Whorenets and the Jazz matched.

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HOWEVAH!

Air Jordan and Hair Gordon negotiated the terms of that deal which included the opt out. So now =GODMODE HAYWARD has the Jazz over a barrel.

It's almost as if they didn't learn from the lesson of Mo Williams, Wes Matthews, and Paul Millsap(But not CJ Miles, should not have matched mas fresco, even if he is EXACTLY LIKE HOOD, am I right, idiots?). To wit: When you allow your asset to negotiate the terms of your contract with your competitor it's going to be framed in such a way so as to be most disadvantageous for you to match.

Front office has such a boner for advanced stats and ****, project out what Exum's going to be, offer him the most you possibly can justify, stop sending your assets and their agents out to the competition to negotiate the contract you're going to sign.

So ****ing stupid. honestly it's the only thing the FO is ****ing up. But GODDAMN if Hayward leaves it's certain doom.
 
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PG_AB said:
there's no legitimate impetus on the horizon which leads to a choose between X or Hood decision because they're both RFA's...

only way that could even be remotely a choice is if they recklessly run up the cap into Cavs territory, or are dead set on penny pinching.
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He was saying to choose between X and hood (keep both) or hill.
 
dalamon said:
If the choice is between Hood + X & Hill, you have to choose the former.
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What if the choice is lose Hill for nothing and retain Hood and Exum. Or retain Hill and Hood plus whatever Exum would net in a trade or Hill and Exum and whatever Hood would net in a trade.

It's complex and it is a pivot point for us. If Retaining Hill requires a max deal I'm out... unless declining means Gordo leaves too. But let's say Hood and Hill cost about the same (once Hood gets an extension)... which player helps us win more games the next 4 years?

I don't have the answers just presenting the argument and that it's complex with lots of moving parts... many options but it's clear... we don't get to do the status quo.
 
I stand by my stance. I'd rather overpay for Exum after next year when he has shown he has all star potential than overpay for him when he's shown nothing. Either way you overpay for him.

I'd rather have him at max dollars knowing he has a shot at all star level then have him at 15-20 million per year with a hope he has all star potential.
 
I think you have to seriously consider the weight retaining Hill would have on retaining Gordon. I still think you keep Hill for whatever number it takes and then trade him next offseason.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Until the last 15 games he looked like a guy that might not be in the league in a few years and yes it was depressing.

I hope he builds off of his most recent success but it is a small sample and I'd have a really hard time committing much more than the amount I stated... green has the right attitude... hopefully he's worth a max deal in a year and I expect him to wait but if it's for an extension this summer I'd be really hesitant due to small sample size.
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Dude it is Dennis's job to project what type of player he will become. Any idiot can match a big contract after a guy is already putting up numbers or wait until his value has plummeted to trade him.

Exum will get a fat contract. If Lindsey thinks he's worth it he should extend him if not he should trade him. Lindsay already flushed an entire season by sitting on his hands, got nothing out of Kanter because he sat on his hands, he's in Greater danger of losing Hayward now because he sat on his hands. Dude really really really needs to be more proactive.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think you have to seriously consider the weight retaining Hill would have on retaining Gordon. I still think you keep Hill for whatever number it takes and trading him next offseason.
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We are in a tough place with Hill. If I'm Hayward and you don't resign Hill, I strongly consider going to Boston. But, resigning Hill means in three years, you have a huge albatross around your neck.

I still think if you are Utah, you try to trade for Hill's replacement before the draft. You put everyone not named Hayward and Gobert available. Try to get Lillard, McCollum, Dragic, Bledsoe (although I might want Hill over Dragic), whoever. Don't wait until free agency. Besides, you can't keep everyone so don't Millsap/Jefferson this team and wait until everyone leaves as a free agent. Be proactive and go get your third leg to your chair.
 
Like the ******** Surfers said: "It's better to regret something you did, than something you didn't do".

-Flea.
 
♪alt13 said:
Dude it is Dennis's job to project what type of player he will become. Any idiot can match a big contract after a guy is already putting up numbers or wait until his value has plummeted to trade him.

Exum will get a fat contract. If Lindsey thinks he's worth it he should extend him if not he should trade him. Lindsay already flushed an entire season by sitting on his hands, got nothing out of Kanter because he sat on his hands, he's in Greater danger of losing Hayward now because he sat on his hands. Dude really really really needs to be more proactive.
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I agree but Dante may be one of the most difficult guys to project in the league... you could tell me in 3 year's he is the best player on our team or that he is the best player on our D league team and I would not be surprised.

I would only extend guys I was more certain of or that were taking significant discounts.
 
JAZZGASM said:
Like the ******** Surfers said: "It's better to regret something you did, than something you didn't do".

-Flea.
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Did Flea consult Mitch Kupcheck on his FA signings last summer?

We can't have a bad, big contract imo... will handicap us too much.
 
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