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Exum needs to play over Mack

Like I said, Exum is at a completely different point in his development. He still has to learn how to play basketball and be effective. Everyone else knows how to play and make themselves weapons, it's just a matter of fine tuning and being consistent. With Exum out there it just slows everyone else down and kind of kills the teams ability to develop as a unit. It just sucks last year Exum got injured and he missed our last year we could really focus on development and not wins. I hope Quin finds minutes for him, but I'm not going to be overly upset as long as we are winning.

If we cannot find minutes for him, are we not better served not just to send him to the DLeague to develop, but possibly even looking for a trade for him, before he loses all value? If he can't find his way on the court by the end of this year, he won't be worth more than Trey Burke was worth at the end of last season... I don't think. If you can't find time to develop him and/or he doesn't show any development I guess we can chalk him up as a bust and move on.
 
If we cannot find minutes for him, are we not better served not just to send him to the DLeague to develop, but possibly even looking for a trade for him, before he loses all value? If he can't find his way on the court by the end of this year, he won't be worth more than Trey Burke was worth at the end of last season... I don't think. If you can't find time to develop him and/or he doesn't show any development I guess we can chalk him up as a bust and move on.

I don't see how he loses value atm. W/E his value ever was pre-draft it was quickly lost after his injury. People got a chance to see how big of a project he was his rookie year and that is a turn-off as far as value goes because you arent getting much production on his rookie contract.

To say "he wont be worth more than Trey Burke" is 100% impossible. He has shown development, that isn't his problem. I'm 100% positive Quin will find minutes for him, he is just giving him some bench time ATM. No reason to trade him unless someone really gives us a great offer.
 
I don't see how he loses value atm. W/E his value ever was pre-draft it was quickly lost after his injury. People got a chance to see how big of a project he was his rookie year and that is a turn-off as far as value goes because you arent getting much production on his rookie contract.

To say "he wont be worth more than Trey Burke" is 100% impossible. He has shown development, that isn't his problem. I'm 100% positive Quin will find minutes for him, he is just giving him some bench time ATM. No reason to trade him unless someone really gives us a great offer.

What would you consider a great offer? Lets say Philly calls you and tells you "We really want to pair Exum and Simmons in an austrlian super-duo". What's the worst offer you are taking?

-Philly pick? - I guess anybody would take that, but nobody would offer it...
-Lakers pick - ok, here it gets interesting - do you take the Lakers pick if they offer it for Exum?
-Noel?
-Covington?
-Saric?

Philly in general has a very diverse portfolio of assets(with the exception of backcourt players). What's the worst trade you would take from them for Exum?
 
What would you consider a great offer? Lets say Philly calls you and tells you "We really want to pair Exum and Simmons in an austrlian super-duo". What's the worst offer you are taking?

-Philly pick? - I guess anybody would take that, but nobody would offer it...
-Lakers pick - ok, here it gets interesting - do you take the Lakers pick if they offer it for Exum?
-Noel?
-Covington?
-Saric?

Philly in general has a very diverse portfolio of assets(with the exception of backcourt players). What's the worst trade you would take from them for Exum?

None of those. Well I would take the Philly pick, but that isnt going to happen.

If I'm dealing Exum I dont want another draft pick. The whole reason behind dealing Exum wouldnt be lack of talent, it would be that you dont want to develop him, so no reason to just get another pick you would have to develop after wasting 2.5 years of developing Exum.
 
A really good article on this not sure if already been posted:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=42387123&nid=304&title=why-isnt-dante-exum-playing


Basically +/- Exum is worse than Mack all across the board. It's pretty unanimous.
I read that article and it was interesting. One problem is that statistically Exum is playing better than Mack by almost every statistic out there individually, which was left out of this article. I think he is passing the eye test for being better than Mack as well for most. There are many factors to plus minus and it's not the best stat to me to rely on for how a player is performing. I do think the coaching staff is trying to teach exum a lesson and most of that is about playing better defense. He has slipped defensively for some reason, hopefully he gets back to where he was. Teams also play exum differently than Mack which is a factor. The solution to that is Exum needs to shoot more from 3 when open and start hitting them at a decent clip. He is a streaky shooter this season and he needs to hit that 3 consistently to open up his game and help open up his teammates game. Consistency comes from experience on the court in my opinion. I would rather us lose a couple games now because of Exum and have a much better player towards the end of the season than Mack getting minutes. Although it's hard to say either is a factor in W/L right now for our team especially over each other.
 
Draftastic!

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No qualms with the rationale behind the decision, just didn't really like that Quin pretty much publicly threw him under the bus. He's such a unique project, it is going to really be the litmus test for Quin's player development rep how things pan out for the rest of the season. It's unlikely but won't look good if he gets a ridiculous offer than we aren't confident enough about him to match at the end of next year and then he goes somewhere else and explodes.
 
I find it hard to criticize Quin's rotations when the team is winning, but yes, Exum needs to be out there. He's the ****ing #5 pick in what was supposed to be a super loaded draft.
The team has won three in a row after losing four in a row. I don't see that as some big trend towards winning.
 
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Quin Synder: "I need to develop Dante Exum with rotation minutes"

Evil Quin Snyder: "No, play Shelvin Mack"
 
No qualms with the rationale behind the decision, just didn't really like that Quin pretty much publicly threw him under the bus. He's such a unique project, it is going to really be the litmus test for Quin's player development rep how things pan out for the rest of the season. It's unlikely but won't look good if he gets a ridiculous offer than we aren't confident enough about him to match at the end of next year and then he goes somewhere else and explodes.

Nothing that I have seen suggests this. Not trying to call you out, but genuinely curious why you say this? What did I miss?
 
I read that article and it was interesting. One problem is that statistically Exum is playing better than Mack by almost every statistic out there individually, which was left out of this article.

I don't know if that's true. Let's check! (Note: there's a tiny image below here that you have to click on)

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It doesn't seem like it's very true.
 
very arbitrarily selected cutoff point. I bet the choice had nothing to do with trying to support a point.



Small sample on/off numbers are not reliable.

1) SUPER arbitrarily selected cutoff point. Admittedly. But choose any cutoff point with Dante, and it's not great.
2) Agreed small sample on/off numbers aren't reliable as a predictor of long-term future success. But I think they're indicative of Exum's performance so far looking backwards, along with his other stats. I also think that looking at how Exum plays with the Jazz's other players (especially in apples to apples comparisons with Mack) eliminates one potential way small-sample on/off numbers can lie.
 
I don't know if that's true. Let's check! (Note: there's a tiny image below here that you have to click on)

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It doesn't seem like it's very true.
You're right normal stats are more split. Why did you choose to post the per 100 possesions? Do you think that is a better indication of a player over numbers or per 36? I meant to write advanced stats. Which were posted earlier such as PER, vorp, Ws and so on . Ill post them in a later post here in this thread.
 
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Nothing that I have seen suggests this. Not trying to call you out, but genuinely curious why you say this? What did I miss?

you missed the fact that i'm indulging in an emotion based / hysterical sook about one of my aussie boys .... now if you'll just move aside i'd like to finish my bowl of sour grapes plz ... thnx
 
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