Fainting Hillary
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Joe Bagadonuts
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A large number of Obama's deportations are what used to be called "border stops." The Obama administration, unlike any administration before it, counts a denial of entry at the border as a deportation. It's impossible to compare the Obama numbers to other administrations because they changed the definitions of what they are counting.
Red
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Not saying this is not true, because I simply don't know, but a quick check brought me to this:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661
"President Barack Obama has often been referred to by immigration groups as the "Deporter in Chief."
Between 2009 and 2015 his administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who "self-deported" or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)."
Joe Bagadonuts
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Mass deportation would be relatively easy? I think the opposite. It would be virtually impossible.
Joe Bagadonuts
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It is very difficult to know exactly what is happening, but the high end Obama "deportation" numbers that are cited do include those who are denied entry. Here is an article that tries to explain the issues:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/
Easy or impossible depends on how willing he is to authorize the violating of freedoms (specifically search and seizure) and how willing the American people are to allow it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Either way the 2.9 million, which excludes denial of entry stops, exceeds other recent presidents. The point still stands even if the exact number isn't known. It is known to be higher than other recent presidents. This article talks about that.
I agree with Siro, how Hispanics support either party is a mystery to me.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Yeah. I think he would have to drag many people kicking and screaming from their homes, and I believe that if that happened a lot of people (including a sizeable percentage of those who currently think they're for it) would be against it.
♪alt13
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We're already dragging people from their homes. ^see video
Red
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In reading those two paragraphs again, in the paragraph you mention, I think they are talking about convicted criminals who are caught trying to enter at the border. So, the first paragraph would be referring to people who were not criminals being sent back, but not counted as deportations. Criminals turned back are included among deportations. Not sure I am interpreting that correctly, however; just my best effort. I think the stat that says he has deported more then all 20th century Presidents combined might also override any inflation based on your own interpretation of counting everyone caught at the border and turned back.
Red
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The 700 miles of wall already constructed since 2006, plus the growth in border security, has forced many to try crossing by way of the Sonoran Desert. Some 6000 have died trying, with another 2500 reported missing by their Mexican families, and last known to be attempting entry via the Sonoran Desert.
UGLI baby
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No idea.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Heartbreaking. You're right. I didn't know that otherwise law abiding people were being tackled in their driveways for immigration issues. I'm glad the story apparently has a happy ending.
I'm sure the usual crowd will call me a racist for this, but I believe one of the things this story highlights is how critical it is that immigration be conducted legally. Ray and his family paid a difficult price for his decision to illegally immigrate. He appears to be the sort of person who we are fortunate to have in this country and I'm glad he has been allowed to return. I wish the process had been faster, but I don't think anyone can really be surprised by government dalays.
BTW, to me the color of Ray's skin (or of anybody else's) is a non-issue.
Miggs
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IMO, they definitely would be. Who's going to do those jobs? White people? No. We're too lazy a breed to do manual labor for such wages.
Joe Bagadonuts
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IMO, if you make a statement about whites (such as the one above) that would be racist if it was about a different race, your statement is racist. The color of a person's skin has no relevance to these sorts of things.
Miggs
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Fair enough. But as a white man, I feel very confident in saying that we'd rather be lazy and collect unemployment or suck off the system rather than make low wages and sweat their *** off for 8-9 hours a day. It's sad but true.
I give mad props to any illegal who's working their *** off like most of them do.
UGLI baby
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Ok?
I dunno if you are just trying to strike up conversation, but you've seen all the times in this thread where I've said that by "financial reasons" I just meant that building a wall would be really expensive?
Joe Bagadonuts
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I'd prefer to avoid living off of unemployment if I can, and I'd prefer making a good living to scraping by on a barely sustainable wage, but I'm willing to do whatever work I need to do. I'll bet there are millions of people, regardless of complexion, who feel similarly. Melanin levels have nothing to do with any of this stuff.