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Farewell to Andrei

Take it for what its worth but Locke was saying today that AK told Larry Miller a couple years back to completely re structure his contract, trade him or let him go overseas but for some reason it never fell through. AK wants to stay here and Locke thinks AK will want to repay this Jazz and will probably except a contract lower than 5 mil.

I don't like AK really at all but if you think CJ is a bargain at 4 mil I'm pretty sure AK is a better bargain at 4 mil. I hate how injured he gets but you got to admit when he plays good he is great for the team, only thing is he rarely does that anymore. He can be the back up 3 and give him a 4 mil contract for 2 years with a 3rd year option. I'm sure he'll take it if he wanted to help out the franchise a couple years ago and offered to give up all that money he was supposed to be owed
 
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Man, Jack in the Box burgers circa early 1990s were decent. Not great, but certainly decent. They had buy-one-get-one-free coupons that they published in the Sunday paper. Normally I wouldn't go out of my way them, but at the right price who couldn't load up on those burgers back then?
 
Qman said:
I still like Andrei as a role player at 3 mil or less per year. He can still provide a defensive presence on big perimeter scorers. I would far rather have him than Bell.
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AK at 3 mil? The guy is an MLE player at least. My guess is the Jazz try the lowball route to see how interested he is in staying. That would still take 5 mil per at a minimum. And my guess is there will be contenders looking to find ways to up the annual for a shorter deal, like 3 @ 21 plus. Injuries notwithstanding, this board is the only place that doesn't understand his worth. NBA GM's all know what a valuable addition he would be.
 
Didn't The Jazz give Harpring about 7 mil per his last 2 seasons?

My God, 5 mil for Kirilenko 22mpg off the bench is a friggin bargain - I'd take it in a second.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
If it was a choice between AK @ 5 mil, and CJ @ 3.7 million I think Id rather have Miles. But I wouldnt really care either way, as long as we dont keep both.
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I agree with this. One of them needs to move on. I prefer Miles just because he is younger. Would not be upset either way. Also I prefer Cj because he is less inclined to whine if and when Hayward plays over him.
 
billyshelby said:
AK at 3 mil? The guy is an MLE player at least. My guess is the Jazz try the lowball route to see how interested he is in staying. That would still take 5 mil per at a minimum. And my guess is there will be contenders looking to find ways to up the annual for a shorter deal, like 3 @ 21 plus. Injuries notwithstanding, this board is the only place that doesn't understand his worth. NBA GM's all know what a valuable addition he would be.
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While I agree with everything you say here. I think it's time for this organization to move on. I believe it's in the best interests of both parties to part ways.
 
I heard KOC on clean out day and he said he wants AK back. I bet he will offer AK a three year 21 million deal. AK has played over 20,000 minutes, but he has played a lot of International ball minutes. Let's face it, no matter what we offer him, he's only a 60 game player.
 
Favors Flave said:
Take it for what its worth but Locke was saying today that AK told Larry Miller a couple years back to completely re structure his contract, trade him or let him go overseas but for some reason it never fell through. AK wants to stay here and Locke thinks AK will want to repay this Jazz and will probably except a contract lower than 5 mil.
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I didn't know the guy is Japanese. Did he really feel shamed about not living up to his contract? Get a ****ing samurai sword, AK. Or, play your *** off and feel sad about dead Larry when you die too.

Miller never gave a bonus to a player who exceeded his contract. AK doesn't owe him a dime either.
 
gregbroncs said:
While I agree with everything you say here. I think it's time for this organization to move on. I believe it's in the best interests of both parties to part ways.
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This is my take on the whole Andrei situation:

Selfishly, I want him resigned because he makes us better. And if we got the right deal to keep him, I'd take it.

But because I love Andrei, I'd like to see him go. Unlike other people, I greatly appreciate his worth as a basketball player.

So I'd like to see him sign with a real contender to finish his career. I really believe he could be a key component to a team winning a championship. He's so much better than most people here think he is. And I'd like to see him go out that way.
 
billyshelby said:
This is my take on the whole Andrei situation:

Selfishly, I want him resigned because he makes us better. And if we got the right deal to keep him, I'd take it.

But because I love Andrei, I'd like to see him go. Unlike other people, I greatly appreciate his worth as a basketball player.

So I'd like to see him sign with a real contender to finish his career. I really believe he could be a key component to a team winning a championship. He's so much better than most people here think he is. And I'd like to see him go out that way.
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Whatever. I'm a Billy fan.

Great post. Thanks Billy.
 
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I would love for us to face AK in another uniform. We'd have a free defender to help out on other guys. And we'd be able to count on his 3 turnovers of driving recklessly into the lane flailing his arms while losing the ball and yelling AIII! The other games we'd be injured for... And offensively all our SF would have to do is pumpfake and drive in for a layup.

Facing AK on another team is actually pretty darn enticing.
 
Here's how I think about it.

-AK plays in about 60 games or so it seems every season.

-He plays well in about half of those game.

So how much is a guy who plays well in 30 games worth? The answer for me is not 5 million dollars. I would personally rather cut ties.
 
trigg3r said:
Here's how I think about it.

-AK plays in about 60 games or so it seems every season.

-He plays well in about half of those game.

So how much is a guy who plays well in 30 games worth? The answer for me is not 5 million dollars. I would personally rather cut ties.
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I could make a really long post. But do you realize that AK is 8th in PER for all small forwards in the league? Or that he's 3rd in assists, 6th in steals, or 2nd in blocks? Is there really no on who actually knows AK's stats year in and year out? The injury history is a concern. His performance history outside of one bad year in 10 isn't.
 
Is there ever a good price for some coke that's been cut with a small amount of chlorine? Can you get a good deal on a prostitute with HSV? I feel like these are the arguments we keep having, with the consensus being, "yeah, but everybody quickly dismisses how hot this girl is when she's done up."

The thing we need to divorce ourselves from with Andrei is our dreams from the past. We all took the Andrei bate that he was something special and something different that was rare in the NBA. There wasn't a soul who didn't regard AK as an up-and-coming top ten, if not top five, player in the league. We got excited. I get it. We got really excited. Even though we've accepted the truth with Andrei, there's still that part deep down that wishes "if only" regarding AK and believes that if we let him go we let go of all those dreams and all that emotion we once invested. It's nearly akin to leaving an abusive spouse after years of thinking they'd change and that everyone else is wrong and "if they could only see what I see."

Take a minute and clear your mind of our favorable past with Andreiand pretend he's another guy in the league. Is this guy we've had for the past 5 years someone we really want on the team. Does he really bring that much or do we see that by superimposing "the old AK" to make us look at a couple block shots as 'contributing so much to the game'.
 
infection said:
Is there ever a good price for some coke that's been cut with a small amount of chlorine? Can you get a good deal on a prostitute with HSV? I feel like these are the arguments we keep having, with the consensus being, "yeah, but everybody quickly dismisses how hot this girl is when she's done up."

The thing we need to divorce ourselves from with Andrei is our dreams from the past. We all took the Andrei bate that he was something special and something different that was rare in the NBA. There wasn't a soul who didn't regard AK as an up-and-coming top ten, if not top five, player in the league. We got excited. I get it. We got really excited. Even though we've accepted the truth with Andrei, there's still that part deep down that wishes "if only" regarding AK and believes that if we let him go we let go of all those dreams and all that emotion we once invested. It's nearly akin to leaving an abusive spouse after years of thinking they'd change and that everyone else is wrong and "if they could only see what I see."

Take a minute and clear your mind of our favorable past with Andreiand pretend he's another guy in the league. Is this guy we've had for the past 5 years someone we really want on the team. Does he really bring that much or do we see that by superimposing "the old AK" to make us look at a couple block shots as 'contributing so much to the game'.
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So how do you explain his stats?
 
As far as a talent standpoint he would be great coming off the bench. But it's time to move on with this new group. You can count on ak to miss at least 20 games a year, he hasn't improved in a long time, and he just doesnt seem connected to his teammates. Not worth it IMO
 
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