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Favors agent says they are open to an extension:

themanknownassting said:
He hasn't missed all that many games in his career. The last 4 years he's played 77, 73, 74, and last year 62. By comparison Hayward has played 72, 77, 76 and 80 last year.

Back on topic, if he is willing to take an ext to help the team keep these guys than they better do it.



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MIssing 10+ games per year isn't much? And that trend will likely continue into this season.

What concerns me is that the IT Band Syndrome and back problems can be chronic. You wouldn't expect to see a young guy entering the prime of his career missing games with so many injuries. Athletes in their 30's should start having problems. And many don't even until retirement. Derrick appears to be breaking down now. Caveat emptor!

Jazz can't pay everyone. I really like Favs, but Lyles is developing fast. And he might be a better fit with Gobert. I'd wait on an extension, See where Lyles is at; see how many games Derrick misses with his injury. Next season I'd probably recommend trading Favors.
 
Stifle Tower said:
MIssing 10+ games per year isn't much? And that trend will likely continue into this season.

What concerns me is that the IT Band Syndrome and back problems can be chronic. You wouldn't expect to see a young guy entering the prime of his career missing games with so many injuries. Athletes in their 30's should start having problems. And many don't even until retirement. Derrick appears to be breaking down now. Caveat emptor!

Jazz can't pay everyone. I really like Favs, but Lyles is developing fast. And he might be a better fit with Gobert. I'd wait on an extension, See where Lyles is at; see how many games Derrick misses with his injury. Next season I'd probably recommend trading Favors.
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Boo!
 
Stifle Tower said:
MIssing 10+ games per year isn't much? And that trend will likely continue into this season.

What concerns me is that the IT Band Syndrome and back problems can be chronic. You wouldn't expect to see a young guy entering the prime of his career missing games with so many injuries. Athletes in their 30's should start having problems. And many don't even until retirement. Derrick appears to be breaking down now. Caveat emptor!

Jazz can't pay everyone. I really like Favs, but Lyles is developing fast. And he might be a better fit with Gobert. I'd wait on an extension, See where Lyles is at; see how many games Derrick misses with his injury. Next season I'd probably recommend trading Favors.
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So you want to go back to a offensive minded PF who is slow laterally and horrible on defense? I could be mistaken, but haven't was done that before?
 
Stifle Tower said:
MIssing 10+ games per year isn't much? And that trend will likely continue into this season.

What concerns me is that the IT Band Syndrome and back problems can be chronic. You wouldn't expect to see a young guy entering the prime of his career missing games with so many injuries. Athletes in their 30's should start having problems. And many don't even until retirement. Derrick appears to be breaking down now. Caveat emptor!

Jazz can't pay everyone. I really like Favs, but Lyles is developing fast. And he might be a better fit with Gobert. I'd wait on an extension, See where Lyles is at; see how many games Derrick misses with his injury. Next season I'd probably recommend trading Favors.
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10.5 games average missed per season.
 
Stifle Tower said:
MIssing 10+ games per year isn't much? And that trend will likely continue into this season.

What concerns me is that the IT Band Syndrome and back problems can be chronic. You wouldn't expect to see a young guy entering the prime of his career missing games with so many injuries. Athletes in their 30's should start having problems. And many don't even until retirement. Derrick appears to be breaking down now. Caveat emptor!

Jazz can't pay everyone. I really like Favs, but Lyles is developing fast. And he might be a better fit with Gobert. I'd wait on an extension, See where Lyles is at; see how many games Derrick misses with his injury. Next season I'd probably recommend trading Favors.
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Hate to say it, but I'm not sure I disagree with this. What's weird is how Favors injuries seem to just pop up. You don't really see them happen on the court... all of the sudden he is down for the count. And they don't have any timetable for a return.
 
If his injuries are confined to 10 games a season, then Favors is well worth it.
 
orangello said:
Um, that guy couldn't shoot 3's at all.

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He was, however, one of the best offensive bigs in the league, and I believe there was a year or two you could have made an argument for thee best scoring big. I like Lyles and his potential, but let's not jump the gun and start declaring him a future HOFer just yet. I don't think it's a given by any means that his ability to shoot threes will outweigh what the team loses defensively.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
He was, however, one of the best offensive bigs in the league, and I believe there was a year or two you could have made an argument for thee best scoring big. I like Lyles and his potential, but let's not jump the gun and start declaring him a future HOFer just yet. I don't think it's a given by any means that his ability to shoot threes will outweigh what the team loses defensively.
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All I said was Boozer couldn't shoot 3's. Nothing more, nothing less.

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themanknownassting said:
So you want to go back to a offensive minded PF who is slow laterally and horrible on defense? I could be mistaken, but haven't was done that before?
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One is entering his 2nd season, is extremely coachable and played out of position in college; the other was a veteran who just wanted a raise regardless.

Look, I LOVE Favors. I was very vehement in my support in past threads about trade rumors involving Derrick. I'm not saying dump him this season. But please, anyone...tell me HOW Utah can pay Favors, Gobert, Hayward, Hood and Exum (when everyone is off their rookie deal). Just the starters. I'm not including Lyles or any other subs. All five of those players WILL get big offers. I guess if Exum flames out, there's some savings there. Hood has already shown enough scoring potential for other teams to want him. Just look at the offer Harrison Barnes got.

Hard choices will need to be made. Burks is a goner when his contract expires.Lyles is going to be cheaper to keep than Derrick. And unlike the Boozer situation. Utah has a rim protector in Gobert. What they need around Rudy are shooters. Lyles offers better range. I'd love for Utah to keep Derrick. But I just don't see how they can - unless it comes at the expense of another key player.
 
Stifle Tower said:
One is entering his 2nd season, is extremely coachable and played out of position in college; the other was a veteran who just wanted a raise regardless.

Look, I LOVE Favors. I was very vehement in my support in past threads about trade rumors involving Derrick. I'm not saying dump him this season. But please, anyone...tell me HOW Utah can pay Favors, Gobert, Hayward, Hood and Exum (when everyone is off their rookie deal). Just the starters. I'm not including Lyles or any other subs. All five of those players WILL get big offers. I guess if Exum flames out, there's some savings there. Hood has already shown enough scoring potential for other teams to want him. Just look at the offer Harrison Barnes got.

Hard choices will need to be made. Burks is a goner when his contract expires.Lyles is going to be cheaper to keep than Derrick. And unlike the Boozer situation. Utah has a rim protector in Gobert. What they need around Rudy are shooters. Lyles offers better range. I'd love for Utah to keep Derrick. But I just don't see how they can - unless it comes at the expense of another key player.
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Good points. And I do agree for the most part. However, do you really think Rudy is all we need on the defensive side? Did you see him during the olympics? I think many of us see Rudy as this amazing rim protector, but in my opinion in what I see, he is only as good as the players around him. It's my belief that Favors with Gobert, and Gobert with Favors is what makes Gobert's defense what it is. My fear is when a switch occurs and Lyles can't keep up laterally and that brings Gobert away from the rim. Kanter was proof of this, and I fear the same with Lyles.
 
orangello said:
All I said was Boozer couldn't shoot 3's. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Fair enough, but there are quite a few Jazz fans who have already convinced themselves that the team would be better with Lyles replacing Favors, and I believe they are underrating Favors and/or jumping the gun with Lyles.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Fair enough, but there are quite a few Jazz fans who have already convinced themselves that the team would be better with Lyles replacing Favors, and I believe they are underrating Favors and/or jumping the gun with Lyles.
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Who are you talking about? I think Stifle summed it up pretty well and he didn't even mention Favors' injuries.
 
If you can sign Favors, you sign Favors. At worst case he has no trade value unsigned. And people need to realize that there will never be an offseason like the last where every single team can sign a max free agent. Next year 12 teams can (if they let other players go), the year after that it will me much less. In an world when 5 or 6 teams can sign a max free agent, Harrison Barnes does not get a max contract. Not every single player on the Jazz will get a max contract unless they win a championship.
 
framer said:
If you can sign Favors, you sign Favors. At worst case he has no trade value unsigned. And people need to realize that there will never be an offseason like the last where every single team can sign a max free agent. Next year 12 teams can (if they let other players go), the year after that it will me much less. In an world when 5 or 6 teams can sign a max free agent, Harrison Barnes does not get a max contract. Not every single player on the Jazz will get a max contract unless they win a championship.
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That's what my plan would be. Retain your talent, and figure it out later. The days of the unmovable 6 year albatross contracts are over. Resign him for 4 years, if Lyles keeps improving, you move Favors in a couple years for either a good wing or high picks. GM'ing 101.
 
framer said:
Doing an extension for Favors allows us to restructure and frontload his contract. If he is amenable to that, it would mean a lot down the road for holding the team together.
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A max deal would be $27mm per year. Since he's making $11mm, and $12mm the next two seasons, the Jazz could negotiate for a discounted max of $21.25mm per year ($108mm - $11mm - $12mm = $85mm/4) and front load it with annual declines. The discount comes from them paying him much more the final two years of his current contract.

Given his injury history, and that he would both be getting significant raises this year and next and also mitigating injury risk, the Jazz could offer something of a slight discount. A contract of 21.5, 20.5, 19, 18 = $79mm over 4 years. I would shoot more in the $75mm range though. Too much injury risk with the back and feet.
 
franklin said:
A max deal would be $27mm per year. Since he's making $11mm, and $12mm the next two seasons, the Jazz could negotiate for a discounted max of $21.25mm per year ($108mm - $11mm - $12mm = $85mm/4) and front load it with annual declines. The discount comes from them paying him much more the final two years of his current contract.

Given his injury history, and that he would both be getting significant raises this year and next and also mitigating injury risk, the Jazz could offer something of a slight discount. A contract of 21.5, 20.5, 19, 18 = $79mm over 4 years. I would shoot more in the $75mm range though. Too much injury risk with the back and feet.
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I totally agree.
 
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