Favors had 23 pts 15 rebounds after 3 and Corbin benched him for the entire 4th quarter.

[fishonjazz]

Kanter played well last night and he helped to bring us back. I loved Favors game and he played great but Kanter played well too. It makes sense why Corbin stayed with Big Turk... It wasn't even a lack of a defensive anchor that hurt us last night-- it was Monta, Jennings, and J.J. hitting big JUMP shots. I don't think it is right to pissed at Corbin. If anyone on JazzFanz were hired to coach the Jazz, virtually everyone of us would lead the team to a below .500 record.

Do you think favors should be pissed at corbin?
His body language and facial expressions sure seemed like he was

 

[homeytennis]

Reminds me when the Hand was on the Jazz and he was abusing the team we lost to and Sloan puts AK in his place. At least afterwards Sloan was man enough to admit he screwed up in that instance.

 

[Hartsock]

Do you think favors should be pissed at corbin?
His body language and facial expressions sure seemed like he was

I think he has every right to be pissed, and I think he probably is pissed, but I also think Corbin had every right to go with the 5 that gave the Jazz the best chance of winning down the stretch. I dont think Favors was one of those 5.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think he has every right to be pissed, and I think he probably is pissed, but I also think Corbin had every right to go with the 5 that gave the Jazz the best chance of winning down the stretch. I dont think Favors was one of those 5.

I agree with corbin having every right to with the 5 he did..... however i think that favors>millsap, so in imo favors being in the game would have actually gave us a better chance to win.

Oh and we ended up loosing the game with the 5 he choose.

 

[Hartsock]

I agree with corbin having every right to with the 5 he did..... however i think that favors>millsap, so in imo favors being in the game would have actually gave us a better chance to win.

Oh and we ended up loosing the game with the 5 he choose.

I cant see how Favors gave us a better chance than Millsap though, worse free throw shooter, no offense, better defender but who is he going to guard? Illyasova? Not a good matchup. Sure we ended up losing, but I dont think we are in a position to win with Favors in instead of Sap. I guess I have no idea what would have happened though so who knows.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Do you think favors should be pissed at corbin?
His body language and facial expressions sure seemed like he was

I bet he was pissed. I would be pissed, but eventually i think i would see that it made sense. It is not like we could just slide Millsap to the 3 becasue then he would have been guarding J.J. and that would likely hurt us. I think Favors will get to a point where he sees that it was a tough call but it is not like it was without being logical. We always get pissed at Corbin for premeditated substitutions baecause that is what sloan did and it hurts the team and the one night Corbin goes with the flow of the game, we get up set and call for his job. the game could have gone either way to be honest. 1 point was the only difference. If Paul makes that 2nd free throw at the end of regualtion we win the game.

 

[Basketball_Romantic23]

Kanter played the final 17 minutes when the Jazz came back from an 11 point deficit and he had 12 points, 7 rebounds on 4 of 6 shooting in the 4th quarter and the overtime...

Also, why fire corbin? haven't we over achieved the last two seasons? really... Haven't we?

 

[fishonjazz]

I cant see how Favors gave us a better chance than Millsap though, worse free throw shooter, no offense, better defender but who is he going to guard? Illyasova? Not a good matchup. Sure we ended up losing, but I dont think we are in a position to win with Favors in instead of Sap. I guess I have no idea what would have happened though so who knows.

At the end of the game, the bucks made an adjustment and put sanders on millsap, but having millsap (the vet) in the game means that corbin will run every play through him and i remember quite a few times when millsap bulled into sanders and sanders shut him down. (one time sap got stuffed and kanter was there to collect the ball for a putback, and another time millsap got stuffed and carroll was there for the putback. Then the air balled 3, and missed free throw). Basically millsap chocked at the very end of the game. (maybe he was tired)

If favors is in then corbin doesn't have as much faith in him offensively so the ball doesn't stick and keeps moving wich means carroll, burks, and kanter could have gotten more shots against more favorable matchups.
Millsap against sanders is worse than: burks against jennings (burks was torching jennings on offense) Carroll against reddick (carroll was on fire last night and redick is undersized to guard carroll) or kanter against illyasova (kanter could just back illyasova down and score on him or force the bucks to double and leave someone open)....... hell i think favors MIGHT even be better agains sanders. (he was destroying sanders up until the 4th quarter when he was benched)

 

[franklin]

This is the second game in a row that Corbin has taken Ilyasova completely out of the game. 3 for 13. Favors can't guard stretch fours like Sap can. Either Favors or Kanter sits, take your pick.

The perimeter shots from earlier in the game were because our guards couldn't defend for ****. Several of the perimeter shots when Favors was out was because of Millsap failing to rotate.

Are you spouting off or referring to specific plays? Which ones exactly?

Ty went with Millsap down the stretch and Millsap shot 2-6 in OT and missed a FT with 14.9 seconds left in regulation that could've given Utah a 4-point lead (Reddick tied it on the ensuing possession). So Utah went with experience over not just "youth" but legit on-court production and lost ...which is what we should expect from the organization these days.

Not exactly fair to blame Sap for missing that final 3 point shot. How many times has he been clutch in OT?

Seriously though, we were down 15 with Favors in the game, not his fault, but Kanter and Milsap brought the Jazz back. We can't go big 3 because the Bucks had only 1 big on the court with a stretch 4. If it was a strategy it worked. That being said it was probably not good for Favors psyche. It would suck balls to go 23 and 15 through 3 quarters and not play again. So not a bad basketball decision by Corbin, but probably a bad team chemistry decision.

Can't go big two either or Ilyasova crushes the Jazz. It was either Kanter or Favors, not both. Hard to fathom all this hate being thrown at Millsap for his 22/14 performance.

Terrific post.... probably the best one about the favors issue (other than the great one by vslice)

i have repped too much in the last 24 hours, otherwise you would definately get some rep.

Hartsock, please change your name to Valium. TIA.

 

[fishonjazz]

I cant see how Favors gave us a better chance than Millsap though, worse free throw shooter, no offense, better defender but who is he going to guard? Illyasova? Not a good matchup. Sure we ended up losing, but I dont think we are in a position to win with Favors in instead of Sap. I guess I have no idea what would have happened though so who knows.

See as long as jeffy or paul are in the game, corbins love for the vet powers will make him call every play to be ran through those guys no matter what the other team is doing or what other favorable matchups are available for use. (i remember a few turnovers last night where burks forced the ball to sap in the post and the defender reached around for a steal... if sap is not in the game then burks probably sees that the post pass is not available and goes eslewhere with the ball. Since sap was in, im sure that burks felt that he had to get the ball to sap in order to make corbin happy)

 

[fishonjazz]

This is the second game in a row that Corbin has taken Ilyasova completely out of the game. 3 for 13. Favors can't guard stretch fours like Sap can. Either Favors or Kanter sits, take your pick.



Are you spouting off or referring to specific plays? Which ones exactly?



Not exactly fair to blame Sap for missing that final 3 point shot. How many times has he been clutch in OT?



Can't go big two either or Ilyasova crushes the Jazz. It was either Kanter or Favors, not both. Hard to fathom all this hate being thrown at Millsap for his 22/14 performance.



Hartsock, please change your name to Valium. TIA.

Solid point about favors not being able to guard illyasova..... i would be curious to know how illyasova did while millsap was out and kanter and favors were in together

 

[franklin]

At the end of the game, the bucks made an adjustment and put sanders on millsap, but having millsap (the vet) in the game means that corbin will run every play through him and i remember quite a few times when millsap bulled into sanders and sanders shut him down. (one time sap got stuffed and kanter was there to collect the ball for a putback, and another time millsap got stuffed and carroll was there for the putback. Then the air balled 3, and missed free throw). Basically millsap chocked at the very end of the game. (maybe he was tired)

If favors is in then corbin doesn't have as much faith in him offensively so the ball doesn't stick and keeps moving wich means carroll, burks, and kanter could have gotten more shots against more favorable matchups.
Millsap against sanders is worse than: burks against jennings (burks was torching jennings on offense) Carroll against reddick (carroll was on fire last night and redick is undersized to guard carroll) or kanter against illyasova (kanter could just back illyasova down and score on him or force the bucks to double and leave someone open)....... hell i think favors MIGHT even be better agains sanders. (he was destroying sanders up until the 4th quarter when he was benched)

The Jazz as a whole have a tough time adjusting when things don't run as planned. You've noticed Corbin's [no] motion offense when his set plays break down? That's no different than a late game adjustment throwing a monkey wrench into the mix, even more so with that garbage squad backcourt putting up a combined zero. BTW, Burks was horrible in OT.

Part of this is on Corbin and a lot of it on the severe wing talent gap. Either way, Jazz completely fail at adjusting on the fly. The reason D-Will.i.ams looked so great in Sloan's system is more evident than ever now.

 

[Hartsock]

The Jazz as a whole have a tough time adjusting when things don't run as planned. You've noticed Corbin's [no] motion offense when his set plays break down? That's no different than a late game adjustment throwing a monkey wrench into the mix, even more so with that garbage squad backcourt putting up a combined zero. BTW, Burks was horrible in OT.

Part of this is on Corbin and a lot of it on the severe wing talent gap. Either way, Jazz completely fail at adjusting on the fly. The reason D-Will.i.ams looked so great in Sloan's system is more evident than ever now.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo terrible. So so so so so terrible.

 

[Hartsock]

Solid point about favors not being able to guard illyasova..... i would be curious to know how illyasova did while millsap was out and kanter and favors were in together

Not sure, I bet they would have tried to exploit it more at the end of the game than they did, if they did at all, in the middle of it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not sure, I bet they would have tried to exploit it more at the end of the game than they did, if they did at all, in the middle of it.

Idk about that, it seemed that jennings and monta still would have been the focus even with favors on illy..... but maybe not

 

[fishonjazz]

Sooooooooooooooooooooo terrible. So so so so so terrible.

I remember burks having a couple turnovers on entry passes to sap that he probably should have never tried.
I think with sap out, we would have saved a few turnovers, but then maybe illyasova kills us, so like i said it was a tough choice for corbin..... the real problem is that no matter what the game situation or who was playing good or if there was a stretch four or not, corbin would always go with sap or jeffy over favors or kanter.

We could have been playing the lakers last night with gasol at the 4 and howard at the 5 and favors could have been having a career night while millsap is getting abused by gasol, and he still would have went will millsap at the end cause that is just the way corbin works.

 

[mct]

I think a young player will leave his team regardless of the minutes they receive. Bosh, LeBron, Carmello, CP3, Dwight... all these guys were handed franchises early in their career and then either left in free agency or forced a trade. We gotta stop worrying that Favors will leave because he wasn't given maximum opportunity here.

It is a unique situation, though. How many players are there out there that a team desperately wants to keep while at the same time keeping their minutes so low?

The thing that sucks is we're missing opportunities to watch him play while he's on our team. And maybe we're going to miss out on a year or two of contention if he was allowed to develop faster, but that one is impossible to know for sure.

 

[RCdazy]

This is favors muttering to himself after the loss. He doesn't look super pleased. Let's just hope it's the loss and not the fact that his head coach is misusing him horribly.

 

[franklin]

I think a young player will leave his team regardless of the minutes they receive. Bosh, LeBron, Carmello, CP3, Dwight... all these guys were handed franchises early in their career and then either left in free agency or forced a trade. We gotta stop worrying that Favors will leave because he wasn't given maximum opportunity here.

It is a unique situation, though. How many players are there out there that a team desperately wants to keep while at the same time keeping their minutes so low?

The thing that sucks is we're missing opportunities to watch him play while he's on our team. And maybe we're going to miss out on a year or two of contention if he was allowed to develop faster, but that one is impossible to know for sure.

Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks are all stuck until just prior to their peaks. Meanwhile, the Jazz have $32mm in cap space to make it all work out. I don't give one thought to any of them leaving in 5 years or so. That kind of thinking borders on paranoia to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors, Hayward, Kanter, and Burks are all stuck until just prior to their peaks. Meanwhile, the Jazz have $32mm in cap space to make it all work out. I don't give one thought to any of them leaving in 5 years or so. That kind of thinking borders on paranoia to me.

Agreed about not worrying about 5 years from now..... disagree about them being "stuck." Agents have alot of control on where players end up and if a player is not happy with his current team, then that player and thier agent have some things they can do to make the jazz not want to keep them.