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elan_prodigy said:
no to all this.

Hes a terrible FT shooter.

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Millsap is a great FT shooter. 75% FT equates to 37.5% 3FG%. Which Im sure he is very close to on open looks.
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75% is not a great FT shooter. There are also lots of examples of poor FT shooters that are even worse that shoot great at the 3. They are just a different shot.

Here are 380 examples of players that have shot 40% or better from 3 and 70% or worse from the FT line in a season. Like I said FT and 3 point shooting are not always a correlation. They are different shots. You dont need to be good at one to be good at the other. Your equation is nice but lots of players are different from that.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.4&order_by=fg3a
 
Ron Mexico said:
75% is not a great FT shooter. There are also lots of examples of poor FT shooters that are even worse that shoot great at the 3. They are just a different shot.

Here are 380 examples of players that have shot 40% or better from 3 and 70% or worse from the FT line in a season. Like I said FT and 3 point shooting are not always a correlation. They are different shots. You dont need to be good at one to be good at the other. Your equation is nice but lots of players are different from that.
https://www.basketball-reference.co...stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.4&order_by=fg3a
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These are just cherry picked single season stats.

Their career numbers still reflect what I'm proposing.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Fair enough but a lot of players dont fit into that. I just gave 380 examples that dont and that is giving that estimation generous amount of wiggle room.
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You gave single season stats. I checked a dozen against their career numbers and only Bruce Bowen fits your narrative.
 
elan_prodigy said:
You gave single season stats. I checked a dozen against their career numbers and only Bruce Bowen fits your narrative.
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Please post those search results.

Also season makes more sense for this example than a career. Such as in Favors and others example of improving across his career and developing a 3 point shot. If he improves then he improves and the old numbers wont matter.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Please post those search results.

Also season makes more sense for this example than a career. Such as in Favors and others example of improving across his career and developing a 3 point shot. If he improves then he improves and the old numbers wont matter.
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No its doesnt. HTF do you figure that. Just stop, Im over it.

Favors WILL NOT shoot over 32% for 3. End of story!
 
elan_prodigy said:
These are just cherry picked single season stats.

Their career numbers still reflect what I'm proposing.
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If names shot up repeatedly, it's not cherry picking. Richard Jefferson , Bruce Bowen (career 57.5% FT and 39% 3p%), Greg Anthony, etc. Granted, most were probably about 70 to 75% FT shooters, but that's still not "great" as we usually think of it. Derrick is about 66% FT% career wise, so there's room for improvement. But point being that there isn't FT% and 3p% don't necessarily have a correlation. But a low FT% is usually a seasonal outlier, that part is true. I'm just hopeful for Derrick. Let me have my dreams damn it!
 
elan_prodigy said:
No its doesnt. HTF do you figure that. Just stop, Im over it.

Favors WILL NOT shoot over 32% for 3. End of story!
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Okay. I think he will from the corner. So we will see now. No reason to discuss it further. You are numbers for predicting are not a good but I could be wrong as well. Its just a guess from both of us.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Okay. I think he will from the corner. So we will see now. No reason to discuss it further. You are numbers for predicting are not a good but I could be wrong as well. Its just a guess from both of us.
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No you are wrong.

Ive only said I use Favors FT% as an indicator to how successful he'll be out at the 3pt line. He will not shoot over 32%.
 
elan_prodigy said:
No you are wrong.

Ive only said I use Favors FT% as an indicator to how successful he'll be out at the 3pt line. He will not shoot over 32%.
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I think its a poor indicator and many players dont fit it.

But again thats fine. That is your opinion and you have made a prediction. I am taking the over on that. At least from the corner.
 
MDAV28 said:
Favors had 20/16 on the road in a playoff game THIS year. Or how about 17/11 in a game 7 on the road last year?

But yeah he's like Ed freaking Davis. Give me a break.
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So what does Favors do extraordinarily better than Davis? Let us see here....

Rebounds - surely not, Davis averages 11.4 boards per36 for his career. Exceptional rebounder.
Blocks - nope about the same rate.
Passing - nope same assist rate.
Mid range shooting 10-16' - nope Davis was 44% to Favors 40% surprise, surprise, surprise. He could make up most of Favors points advantage if he got more shots.
Favors has a higher PER, but Davis has a higher RPM (1.03 to .53).

I'll give Favors the edge on overall team defense, but Davis is not a slouch.
So ya, it was an overpay, there is no freakin way Favors is over 4x better than Ed Davis. There is no stat to remotely prove it.
 
Jazz4ever said:
So what does Favors do extraordinarily better than Davis? Let us see here....

Rebounds - surely not, Davis averages 11.4 boards per36 for his career. Exceptional rebounder.
Blocks - nope about the same rate.
Passing - nope same assist rate.
Mid range shooting 10-16' - nope Davis was 44% to Favors 40% surprise, surprise, surprise. He could make up most of Favors points advantage if he got more shots.
Favors has a higher PER, but Davis has a higher RPM (1.03 to .53).

I'll give Favors the edge on overall team defense, but Davis is not a slouch.
So ya, it was an overpay, there is no freakin way Favors is over 4x better than Ed Davis. There is no stat to remotely prove it.
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Those are per 36 numbers in his limited minutes so they are not really comparable. Favors did a lot more than Davis this year and for his career than his 5 ppg and 7rpgs in 20 min a night.

Even if Davis wanted to play more minutes he fouls at about double the rate Favors does per 100 possessions so he cant play much more.

Its pretty sad how undervalued Favors is. Also Favors sacrificed a lot of stats to be a team player this year.
 
Jazz4ever said:
He was an overpay. Lets call a spade a spade. Cousins signed for 5m. Ed Davis, who does most of what Favors does, signed for 4m. Noel like 2m a year. That said Favors is zero drama, hard worker, and was on a bargain contract for the last 4 years so not going to spazz over a likely 1 year deal.
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Cousins is coming back from a major injury and is a complete tool on the court. Davis is not as good as Favors, Noel sucks. Favors is going to get paid next year if the Jazz move on.
 
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