Favors/rubio/gobert/Joe line up is taking away Mitchell's strenghts. My Analysis (probably correct)

[yamers]

If you watched the last 3 games Mitchell really struggled to find any rhythm early on, I think this is simple because of the god awful lineup that Quin keeps trying to make work.

1. The lane has just been clogged, and the fact Rubio is the worst shooter in the NBA turns every Mitchell drive to the basket into a triple/quadruple team. Pair this with the fact that Ruby and Favors can't catch a ball to save their life and you got your self a recipe for disaster.

2. Rubio's shooting is so abysmal that the opposing team's best defense on Rubio is to just let him shoot. Why is this a problem? Well the PNR is a total **** up, but even more so it hurts Mitchel because the defender who is on rubio can fly out and obstruct Mitchell's drives. Mitchell is good enough to circumvent this problem usually, but now you throw favors and gobert,2 players who can't make an outside shot to save their life.

3. Now you throw in a player like Rudy, who yes is a great defensive player is quite brutal in trying to receive a pass. More than likely he is going to fumble the ball and lose it. Why is this important? well if you watch the Hawks game you can clearly see the gameplan is to just
A) let Mitchell try to pass it off the the bigs(who can't catch a ball)
or
B) leave rubio open to brick as many shots as possible.

4. Joe Ingles, yes....JOE ****ing Ingles is not helping him either. Ingles refusing to shoot is just the tip of the ice berg. He's a total cart horse on offense. His movement without the ball is piss poor. He moves like a cart horse and most of the players are much quicker than him. When he's not making shots or refusing to shoot the offense becomes a disaster.

The clippers film room on twitter pointed this out a while back and everything he said is 100% true.

 

[yamers]

I still believe in Snyder, and I'm sure he sees this, but he literally has no other options to get to at this point. Burks, oneal, udoh? Thabo out hurts. I think the tank is now running at optimal power and I think we're going to push a top5 pick at this point.

 

[KqWIN]

Not to diminish anything you said, but a child could come to this conclusion. It is that obvious.

 

[Jack Strop]

Not to diminish anything you said, but a child could come to this conclusion. It is that obvious.

Apparently Quin doesn't see it.
Even with a healthy Hood - and when he still had Thabo - he still trotted out the Favors, Gobert, Rubio lineup. I'm done with this team until some changes are made. Good gawd the Hawks game was embarrassing. Jason Kidd could have done a better job with rotations. Give the team to Kokoskov and send Quin to rehab.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you havent noticed, the Jazz are currently more worried about keeping the trade value of players up that winning bud. Don't take things that are happening now too seriously. Also, try not to care as much. I'm not someone who roots for losses, but I'm not mad when they lose either. Ultimately it's most likely for the better.

Jazz traded for Rubio and he has no trade value. Might as well put him through as much experience w/ Gobert as possible.

It's a near guarantee Favors gets traded, so it wont last much longer.

 

[hhhhkau]

I still believe in Snyder, and I'm sure he sees this, but he literally has no other options to get to at this point. Burks, oneal, udoh? Thabo out hurts. I think the tank is now running at optimal power and I think we're going to push a top5 pick at this point.

Start Neto instead of Ricky? Sit Favs, start O'neale or Burks and shuffle Ingles to 4? Start Jonas? If they're legit avoiding upsetting Ricky/Favs because the locker room is so precarious, than that is concerning. Favs will be gone soon or at season's end. None of the above are particularly alluring options, but just try something... the tank isn't going off track at this point.

 

[KqWIN]

If you havent noticed, the Jazz are currently more worried about keeping the trade value of players up that winning bud. Don't take things that are happening now too seriously. Also, try not to care as much. I'm not someone who roots for losses, but I'm not mad when they lose either. Ultimately it's most likely for the better.

Jazz traded for Rubio and he has no trade value. Might as well put him through as much experience w/ Gobert as possible.

It's a near guarantee Favors gets traded, so it wont last much longer.

I can't see how this keeps up trade value. Rubio and Favors have seen their value drop because they've played poorly, and that will only continue the more they play with Mitchell and Gobert. Nothing is benefited by this. Each individual and the team as a whole is worse off because we keep trotting out these lineups.

 

[yamers]

If you havent noticed, the Jazz are currently more worried about keeping the trade value of players up that winning bud. Don't take things that are happening now too seriously. Also, try not to care as much. I'm not someone who roots for losses, but I'm not mad when they lose either. Ultimately it's most likely for the better.

Jazz traded for Rubio and he has no trade value. Might as well put him through as much experience w/ Gobert as possible.

It's a near guarantee Favors gets traded, so it wont last much longer.

wonder if minnie is willing to give us the okc pick back.

 

[Shocker00]

I would like to see this starting lineup:

Mitchell
Burks
Hood
Ingles
Gobert

Or

Mitchell
Hood
Ingles
Jerebko
Gobert

And have them run more. I think if nothing else it would be more exciting basketball.

 

[enchilada_style]

I would like to see this starting lineup:

Mitchell
Burks
Hood
Ingles
Gobert

Or

Mitchell
Hood
Ingles
Jerebko
Gobert

And have them run more. I think if nothing else it would be more exciting basketball.

As you said it may be more exciting but I don't think there is a lineup that makes this team a hell of a lot better.

 

[fallenchicken]

I'm not opposed to just playing Mitchell at the 1 until Exum gets back. But I think we should wait until after the trade deadline to make that move. I know it is hard to watch, but right now the team is in major flux and nobody knows what will happen. The best course of action is just to wait and see when it comes to that move. The potential repercussions are obvious.

It is also probably worth admitting that Mitchell isn't ready to be a starting PG. I mean, tonight he had zero assists and 6 turnovers. He played a lot of the one tonight with Rubio sitting. A better roster more suited to his ability might change this. Exum coming back and he and Mitchell being sort of interchangeable is the ideal scenario and that's what I am waiting for. Until Exum comes back I don't see the benefit, honestly, in benching Rubio. Like, for what? When Exum is back, maybe after a few games and he isn't on a minute restriction, then the move makes sense. Because we want the Exum/Mitchell backcourt to get time and develop. Right now there really isn't much benefit. And again, after the deadline and all star break, just throw the keys over to him. Why not. If they see him as a one, or just want him to get some reps. But let's not fool ourselves that is a win now move.

 

[yamers]

I'm not opposed to just playing Mitchell at the 1 until Exum gets back. But I think we should wait until after the trade deadline to make that move. I know it is hard to watch, but right now the team is in major flux and nobody knows what will happen. The best course of action is just to wait and see when it comes to that move. The potential repercussions are obvious.

It is also probably worth admitting that Mitchell isn't ready to be a starting PG. I mean, tonight he had zero assists and 6 turnovers. He played a lot of the one tonight with Rubio sitting. A better roster more suited to his ability might change this. Exum coming back and he and Mitchell being sort of interchangeable is the ideal scenario and that's what I am waiting for. Until Exum comes back I don't see the benefit, honestly, in benching Rubio. Like, for what? When Exum is back, maybe after a few games and he isn't on a minute restriction, then the move makes sense. Because we want the Exum/Mitchell backcourt to get time and develop. Right now there really isn't much benefit. And again, after the deadline and all star break, just throw the keys over to him. Why not. If they see him as a one, or just want him to get some reps. But let's not fool ourselves that is a win now move.

im down for it.

we suck *** anyway, let him play the PG and practice.

 

[gregbroncs]

If you havent noticed, the Jazz are currently more worried about keeping the trade value of players up that winning bud. Don't take things that are happening now too seriously. Also, try not to care as much. I'm not someone who roots for losses, but I'm not mad when they lose either. Ultimately it's most likely for the better.

Jazz traded for Rubio and he has no trade value. Might as well put him through as much experience w/ Gobert as possible.

It's a near guarantee Favors gets traded, so it wont last much longer.

Trading Favors doesn't solve the Rubio and Gobert complete mess of an offense. Favors' 18' jump shot does more to spread the floor than either of the other 2. 2 absolute non shooters on the floor and you are not winning much. I said all along that Gobert does virtually nothing to fix this teams' problems, he increases them. As long as we have Rubio we are the Timberwolves of the past 6 seasons. Which means were a bad team with no shot at the playoffs till he's gone.

At least the Timberwolves had a C that can shoot beyond 6".

 

[fishonjazz]

Apparently Quin doesn't see it.
Even with a healthy Hood - and when he still had Thabo - he still trotted out the Favors, Gobert, Rubio lineup. I'm done with this team until some changes are made. Good gawd the Hawks game was embarrassing. Jason Kidd could have done a better job with rotations. Give the team to Kokoskov and send Quin to rehab.

I feel ya dog.

 

[freakazoid]

I said all along that Gobert does virtually nothing to fix this teams' problems, he increases them.

No way. Utah has been a top 3 defensive team with Rudy and dead last without him. The difference in offense is nowhere close to the improvement in defense. Utah had a streak of 4 games where they shot really well without Rudy, and some people convinced themselves he was the problem. Since then our offense has been pretty much trash without Rudy, and certainly nowhere close to offset the incredible improvement in defense.

 

[gregbroncs]

No way. Utah has been a top 3 defensive team with Rudy and dead last without him. The difference in offense is nowhere close to the improvement in defense. Utah had a streak of 4 games where they shot really well without Rudy, and some people convinced themselves he was the problem. Since then our offense has been pretty much trash without Rudy, and certainly nowhere close to offset the incredible improvement in defense.

I meant on offense. The problem is not Gobert, it's definitely Rubio. But The offense with Rubio and Gobert is plodding, Boring, predictable, and easily defended. Only teams with no interest in defense (The Clippers without Jordan) have any trouble stopping the Jazz with those 2 on the court. The team is just as bad if not worse overall than they were with Gobert Injured.

 

[yamers]

oh gee wiz another one