Game Thread Feb 16, 2022 08:00PM MT: Jazz at Lakers

[416Klawzz]

If we had Joker, Jazz fans would be complaining nonstop about his defense and how he's too soft to win the big one.

We have a top 3 center and arguably the best center position in the league with Rudy, Whiteside, and Doka and you'd swear we were rollin with Ostertag and Foster.

Bogey, Royce, and Conley sucked last night. They sucked getting their shots and they sucked at getting our centers involved. No one other than Clarkson and Spida showed juice last night but heaven forbid anyone talk about that.

Serious question, is Conley wearing down? His shot has been rough the last few games.

Players like Jokic are intelligent playmakers they have a high offensive awareness and can increase our offense. Again Gobert excels when we shoot horribly other than that he has range of a dunk at best

 

[KqWIN]

Wait, what are you trying to say?


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I'm saying the "Quin should have benched Royce" takes are unreasonable. Royce was having a good game. It's unreasonable for him to predict that Royce is going to make a monumental **** up and that he should have played someone like House instead. The assumption that House would have done better is speculation anyways. You play your best players, especially when they are playing well. If they happen to screw up, it's not like you could have predicted that before hand.

It's not unreasonable for Quin to make adjustments and counters to basic strategies that the Lakers deployed. The fact that the Lakers totally took Don out of the game with a simple trap is unacceptable. Likewise, it's unacceptable that the Jazz couldn't do the same to LeBron. The Jazz have shooters and playmakers who should punish the trap. The Lakers do not.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

We are back to the depressed side of our bipolar fan emotions because it was the Lakers right? As a fan base we hate the Lakers most. Are we really going back to conspiracy theories about Rudy, DM, and the team?

I saw a tiny bit of back and forth because someone doesn't like LeBron. Even if all the other stuff was thrown out, he's a Laker and The Laker. That's enough, give the hate mail some postage.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

The fact that you're not a fan of LeBron is completely your prerogative and I respect that.

But to claim that Michael Jordan was any different is just flat out wrong. Jordan was a complete diva, punching teammates in practice, whining to the media about calls, getting in the refs faces, etc, but the league just never allowed the press or narrative to paint him in a bad light.

Oh yeah, not saying MJ wasn't a problem, but there's just no way to truly claim the greatest of all time. Each athlete had major flaws in their resume that you could use as an argument against them in a GOAT debate. Hopefully one day we get a time machine, and we can give each athlete the same training regiment to see who exactly is the greatest to ever do it. Unless they create a fountain of youth to go along with it, our great great grandchildren will be the only ones to witness it. Lol. Also, Wilt and Kareem don't get enough respect due to their eras. Those two were juggernauts.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Jordan complained all the time and was a total primadonna. You should watch this documentary called the last dance. Then you shouldr ead about how jordan wouldnt let certain things into the documentary becaus it would make him look bad. Everyone thought jordan was a douchebag dickhead. He also had a gambling problem.

What is it you hate about stat padding? Do you think that there are certain time when lebron should intentionally not try to get any assists, rebounds, or points? Like he should hide from the ball and stop trying to be good at basketball? Weird take.


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Im referring to games that are already out of hand where he takes complete plays off, doesn't get back on defense and remains on the court solely to get extra points, rebounds, and assists. It's been glaringly visible this year.

 

[LoPo]

Oh yeah, not saying MJ wasn't a problem, but there's just no way to truly claim the greatest of all time. Each athlete had major flaws in their resume that you could use as an argument against them in a GOAT debate. Hopefully one day we get a time machine, and we can give each athlete the same training regiment to see who exactly is the greatest to ever do it. Unless they create a fountain of youth to go along with it, our great great grandchildren will be the only ones to witness it. Lol. Also, Wilt and Kareem don't get enough respect due to their eras. Those two were juggernauts.

The media and a bunch of the talking heads out there right now try to force feed this narrative that MJ was the greatest. I mean, what else is Charles supposed to say? He didn't win a title because he played in the Jordan era and they are friends too.

Two things that keep me from calling MJ the best to ever play the game:

#1 - 5 losing seasons. 1/3 of his seasons in the NBA were losing seasons. The stink of 5 losing seasons for anybody else would be so strong that you couldn't ever claim that player as the greatest. For some reason, people just let MJ slide with his 5 losing seasons.

#2 - MJ never beat an all time great team. The only team he faced was the old Boston Celtics, and they swept him. Our Jazz were probably his best Finals opponent, but we were no dynasty. We were flawed, but played with heart. Every other great in the history of the game had to overcome another dynasty. MJ never did.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: MJ had a 1-10 playoff record without Scottie Pippen. No other player in the greatest of all time conversation relied on one teammate as much as MJ did. All the other greats won with various combinations of teammates.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz got to placate Rudy a little bit more with touches. Even if they aren't the most efficient things. I don't mind when we ignore Rudy to take better shots, but sometimes it's ignore Rudy in the deep post in the mismatch for an off balance contested Clarkson jump shot.

There's got to be some trade off there.

You can only expect so much effort from Rudy if he isn't getting enough touches. Last night, at least from the first half I watched, it was Rudy playing at like 70% effort. Part of that is probably return from injury.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

That was an epic fail. The Lakers were desperate but they're also a terrible team. Rudy isn't 100% but the Jazz should've been able to handle the Lakers without Rudy. This team lacks focus, courage, and discipline down the stretch. Opposite of the Suns this season. Disappointing.

 

[Agent#00]

Jazz got to placate Rudy a little bit more with touches. Even if they aren't the most efficient things. I don't mind when we ignore Rudy to take better shots, but sometimes it's ignore Rudy in the deep post in the mismatch for an off balance contested Clarkson jump shot.

There's got to be some trade off there.

You can only expect so much effort from Rudy if he isn't getting enough touches. Last night, at least from the first half I watched, it was Rudy playing at like 70% effort. Part of that is probably return from injury.

we had a 10 point lead with less than 6mins to go when quin inserted all the starters. we lost by 5.

it's really simple, quin should have tried a different closing lineup because obviously the other 2 all stars were struggling. look who was playing in the last minute for the Lakers, Austin Reeves, a bench player. he hit a big 3

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

we had a 10 point lead with less than 6mins to go when quin inserted all the starters. we lost by 5.

it's really simple, quin should have tried a different closing lineup because obviously the other 2 all stars were struggling. look who was playing in the last minute for the Lakers, Austin Reeves, a bench player. he hit a big 3

Ahh yes, the bench your all-stars for your bench players strategy. All great coaches do this.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Obviously Im not the biggest Donovan Mitchell fan, but I wouldnt be dumb enough if he had a bad game to be like "Yeah, dont put Donovan Mitchell in the game cuz Danuel House is playing kind of OK"

 

[Elizah Huge]

Did I not watch the same game as some of you? Did Conley not try to hit Rudy in the post multiple times and Rudy fumbling the ball every time? I don’t know how many of you play or have played basketball but after the third time I’m not passing the ball to you anymore.

 

[fishonjazz]

Well for one Gobert sucks at dribbling, his post moves suck he is a one dimensional center that fills his stats when we shoot horribly and only has good stats because of it. His defense is superior but he is getting pulled out to the perimeter more and more and getting exploited.

Joel and jokic they are way better than Gobert. How were Rudy's league leading stats last night?

Last night rudy had a bad game. You can literally almost never ever say that. He is the most consistent player in the league. Its shocking when he has a bad game.


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[fishonjazz]

I'm saying the "Quin should have benched Royce" takes are unreasonable. Royce was having a good game. It's unreasonable for him to predict that Royce is going to make a monumental **** up and that he should have played someone like House instead. The assumption that House would have done better is speculation anyways. You play your best players, especially when they are playing well. If they happen to screw up, it's not like you could have predicted that before hand.

It's not unreasonable for Quin to make adjustments and counters to basic strategies that the Lakers deployed. The fact that the Lakers totally took Don out of the game with a simple trap is unacceptable. Likewise, it's unacceptable that the Jazz couldn't do the same to LeBron. The Jazz have shooters and playmakers who should punish the trap. The Lakers do not.

I was being sarcastic. You made the same post like 10 times yesterday. I knew what you were saying. You were very very clear


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Did I not watch the same game as some of you? Did Conley not try to hit Rudy in the post multiple times and Rudy fumbling the ball every time? I don’t know how many of you play or have played basketball but after the third time I’m not passing the ball to you anymore.

They must have not resulted in turnovers because I couldnt find any plays that fit that description.

Conley had one turnover where he literally threw it at Gobert's feet on a PNR then Gobert had two turnovers: 1 where he brought the ball down and got stripped and the other where he just lost it going up inexplicably. These where all PNR plays, not post. I only watched the first half, but the only time Utah hit him in the post he got automatically fouled as soon as he got the ball (it was a CLarkson pass).

Either way, you still have to get him the ball. Maybe the plays did happen you described but Utah got the ball back so I cant easily find it on NBA.com

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jazz got to placate Rudy a little bit more with touches. Even if they aren't the most efficient things. I don't mind when we ignore Rudy to take better shots, but sometimes it's ignore Rudy in the deep post in the mismatch for an off balance contested Clarkson jump shot.

There's got to be some trade off there.

You can only expect so much effort from Rudy if he isn't getting enough touches. Last night, at least from the first half I watched, it was Rudy playing at like 70% effort. Part of that is probably return from injury.

I mean Mike dropped one in his damn lap and he had it bounce off his damn knee and go out of bounds.

I think they schemed him out last night and dropping him the ball in the post isn’t going to affect how he played on defense. I’m 90% sure he was bothered with his injury last night because there were a bunch of plays in the paint he didn’t contest nearly as well as he normally does.

I don’t like him playing with the injury he had. Soft tissue injuries linger. All star games are fun but sit out the games before and skip the trip to Cleveland.

The guys on the squad talk about winning at the highest levels but sometimes that requires additional sacrifice that I’m not sure everyone is willing to make.

Mike should clearly be sitting out… his February numbers are awful and he can’t get separation. We are managing the season like we are fighting for the one seed. We are burning certain guys out again, still losing, and fighting to be the 4 or 5 seed?

Last night guys aren’t 100% of course so it makes sense we struggled a bit. It’s the mental focus and the killer instinct that this team doesn’t have. The first Royce turnover was the same “**** around because we are up a few points so let’s get cute” mistake we continue to make. It’d be nice to have a few wins against good teams where we fight though some resistance or maintain focus even though things are hard.

The Royce turnover was the swing point. Get a good possession there and score or at least burn a few more seconds and play in a set defense and we are likely gold. It’s a catastrophic mistake and the payoff was going to be a ****** JC corner three? I mean they were going to be able to close on him… just drop the ball off the Donovan. They were literally about to call it a night before we said “hold up… let’s make this interesting”.

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh yeah, not saying MJ wasn't a problem, but there's just no way to truly claim the greatest of all time. Each athlete had major flaws in their resume that you could use as an argument against them in a GOAT debate. Hopefully one day we get a time machine, and we can give each athlete the same training regiment to see who exactly is the greatest to ever do it. Unless they create a fountain of youth to go along with it, our great great grandchildren will be the only ones to witness it. Lol. Also, Wilt and Kareem don't get enough respect due to their eras. Those two were juggernauts.

I have jordan over lebron btw


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[fishonjazz]

Im referring to games that are already out of hand where he takes complete plays off, doesn't get back on defense and remains on the court solely to get extra points, rebounds, and assists. It's been glaringly visible this year.

So you think he should not be getting points rebounds and assists? Weird


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[Pinhead]

When other teams go small you have to feed it inside to punish them. It’s on the coach when this doesn’t happen.

 

[fishonjazz]

They must have not resulted in turnovers because I couldnt find any plays that fit that description.

Conley had one turnover where he literally threw it at Gobert's feet on a PNR then Gobert had two turnovers: 1 where he brought the ball down and got stripped and the other where he just lost it going up inexplicably. These where all PNR plays, not post. I only watched the first half, but the only time Utah hit him in the post he got automatically fouled as soon as he got the ball (it was a CLarkson pass).

Either way, you still have to get him the ball. Maybe the plays did happen you described but Utah got the ball back so I cant easily find it on NBA.com

That second turnovers of rudys you mentioned was the only time he royally effed up and made a boneheaded play. Thats it. 1 time. You are correct that he should have had more opportunities


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