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jom2003 said:
or just hold a season then go for CP3 in 2020. Like the Suns literally traded Bricky Ricky for him. Had we kept Ricky for ourselves it'd be us getting CP3. And in that same window Bucks got Jrue as well. Both would've been way better options than Conley.

Rudy and DM were only 27 and 23 in 2019 respectively. Literally no reason to go all in during 2019 offseason.
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LoPo said:
We had other options for sure.

The biggest mistake was not trading for Jerami Grant instead. He was traded for a 1st on July 8th. We did the Conley trade a month earlier on June 19.

Looking back, we could have...
- traded Favors to New Orleans for a 2nd to clear cap space like we did
- signed Bojan like we did
- re-signed Rubio
- and traded for Grant.

And our team would have been cheaper than the team we ended up with.


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We can’t be fantasyland all day but I read thought it is true you can
 
I do wonder what becomes of this team when/if we get ousted in the first or second round. Definitely big changes... but will it be BIG changes or just big changes. We talking Bogey/Mike trades or we talking Rudy trades or some small moves and a coaching change.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do wonder what becomes of this team when/if we get ousted in the first or second round. Definitely big changes... but will it be BIG changes or just big changes. We talking Bogey/Mike trades or we talking Rudy trades or some small moves and a coaching change.
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I could get behind a coaching change at this point. I do not think we are major giant changes away from truly contending, but do we have the assets to do a meaningful mid-level move? I don't think so. I would love for us to add a couple of players like Brogdon or Grant (not necessarily them exactly, but that kind of player) in place of Bogey and Conley. I think we would be stronger in general and might be enough to get over the hump. But I do not think we will see changes like that. I think they will double down and add some fringe players like NAW and maybe move a Gay and Whiteside for something on the bench. Probably won't be enough. Maybe we need a blow-up.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I could get behind a coaching change at this point. I do not think we are major giant changes away from truly contending, but do we have the assets to do a meaningful mid-level move? I don't think so. I would love for us to add a couple of players like Brogdon or Grant (not necessarily them exactly, but that kind of player) in place of Bogey and Conley. I think we would be stronger in general and might be enough to get over the hump. But I do not think we will see changes like that. I think they will double down and add some fringe players like NAW and maybe move a Gay and Whiteside for something on the bench. Probably won't be enough. Maybe we need a blow-up.
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Yeah the middle moves seem like ways to get where we have already been, but just do it for a few more years. Big moves all seem like they set you back a bit and eventually end up doing some sort of half *** rebuild that fails. Just curious if trader Danny goes for an "eff it lets make a huge move" or if we re-arrange some furniture and put some paint on the walls.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah the middle moves seem like ways to get where we have already been, but just do it for a few more years. Big moves all seem like they set you back a bit and eventually end up doing some sort of half *** rebuild that fails. Just curious if trader Danny goes for an "eff it lets make a huge move" or if we re-arrange some furniture and put some paint on the walls.
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I wonder if the fact that we're hosting the all-star game next season will factor into the decision making this offseason at all? Like you said, big moves seem like they would set us back a bit, at least in the short term. I think Ryan Smith will want us to be as competitive as possible next season so that we're guaranteed that Don and Rudy are both all-stars.
 
Jingled said:
I wonder if the fact that we're hosting the all-star game next season will factor into the decision making this offseason at all? Like you said, big moves seem like they would set us back a bit, at least in the short term. I think Ryan Smith will want us to be as competitive as possible next season so that we're guaranteed that Don and Rudy are both all-stars.
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I sure hope that isn’t part of anyones thought process. Not saying it’s absurd to think it would be but that isn’t how decisions should be made.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do wonder what becomes of this team when/if we get ousted in the first or second round. Definitely big changes... but will it be BIG changes or just big changes. We talking Bogey/Mike trades or we talking Rudy trades or some small moves and a coaching change.
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yep, basically undo everything from the 2019 offseason and call it a failed experiment
 
I'm going through NAW's stats. He was passable for a 2nd-year player last year. His FG% was still low (42%), but his 3FG% was good enough at 35% on nearly 5 attempts per game. He was third on the Pels in scoring at 18 pts per 36 mins behind Zion and Ingram. His steals and rebounds per 36 were pretty good and on par with Lonzo Ball.

Then something happened this year and his shooting percentages just dropped 4 or 5 points across the board (other than FTs). Not sure what it was. I'm guessing that he was defended differently, especially with Zion being out of the rotation. I notice that he's really not able to shoot jumpers off balance or even off movement necessarily. He needs his feet set, squared up, and leaning into his shot. He probably needs to play off the ball and spot up in the corner, taking either open corner 3s or trying to get all the way to the rim. So if he's relied upon to be a primary scorer, he's going to struggle.

NAW was out for 6 or 7 games in late December with Covid. It seems he was playing better than he did after he returned. He led the Pels in scoring four times during the first 6 weeks of the season, but only once after he returned from the illness. Worth noting.
 
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If we fail in the first or second round again, everyone on the roster over the age of 30 should be moved, and serious consideration should be given to moving Rudy if we lose the same we have been losing.

Don’t care if they are lateral moves for younger players to extend our timeline (retool), or just cashing in for assets (rebuild). But if Mike and Bogey are on the team after we lose again in the first or second, I will go full on casual next year and just score watch more than I already am. Treadmill boringness.
 
If/when small ball beats us again in the playoffs, we do need to move someone but not necessarily Rudy. It's Quin that needs to go. Let's get a couple of more dynamic and taller players and see what a more flexible coach can do with the Rudy /Don combo.
Now if the Rudy /Don relationship is as bad as some are reporting move whoever gives you the best return. If it's Don that goes then Quin needs to also because he won't move away from this funnel defence scheme. If Rudy is moved maybe he'll tap into his intellect and try something new. I've often wondered if maybe he needs to try a little LSD instead of the cocaine to expand his mind . (That's a joke of course).
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I'm going through NAW's stats. He was passable for a 2nd-year player last year. His FG% was still low (42%), but his 3FG% was good enough at 35% on nearly 5 attempts per game. He was third on the Pels in scoring at 18 pts per 36 mins behind Zion and Ingram. His steals and rebounds per 36 were pretty good and on par with Lonzo Ball.

Then something happened this year and his shooting percentages just dropped 4 or 5 points across the board (other than FTs). Not sure what it was. I'm guessing that he was defended differently, especially with Zion being out of the rotation. I notice that he's really not able to shoot jumpers off balance or even off movement necessarily. He needs his feet set, squared up, and leaning into his shot. He probably needs to play off the ball and spot up in the corner, taking either open corner 3s or trying to get all the way to the rim. So if he's relied upon to be a primary scorer, he's going to struggle.

NAW was out for 6 or 7 games in late December with Covid. It seems he was playing better than he did after he returned. He led the Pels in scoring four times during the first 6 weeks of the season, but only once after he returned from the illness. Worth noting.
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Also, between his 2nd and 3rd years in the league, NAW went from coming off the bench to starting at the beginning of the season. So the quality of defense he faced would have changed as well.

Here is NAW playing against our weak-*** bench unit a couple years ago. If he's effectively the 5th option on the floor, and he gets open looks that aren't rushed, he might be able to produce.

 
Coming out of college NAW looked like a better player than Tyrese Maxey. The consensus was that NAW projected to be a good shooter and Maxey didn't really. Maxey has clearly put in the work to improve across the board. However, Maxey was younger than NAW and did have the superior FT%, so maybe that indicated his shooting potential.
 
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