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So your point about Barnes, that I conceded, was that NC has him release to get out on the break but Florida has their SG in the paint to rebound with the bigs rather than release as well? Come on man, the kids an exceptional rebounder at his position. Period.

Beal is the 3rd guard, and the 3rd tallest player in the rotation, so he is in the same spot as Barnes. Patrick Young isn't a good rebounder, and Murphy is a 3pt shooter who floats the perimeter. So yeah, there is a need for him to crash the boards hard.
 
Beal is the 3rd guard, and the 3rd tallest player in the rotation, so he is in the same spot as Barnes. Patrick Young isn't a good rebounder, and Murphy is a 3pt shooter who floats the perimeter. So yeah, there is a need for him to crash the boards hard.

Haha, alright brother......the 6'3" kid that has averaged 8.4 boards over his last 5 and over 6 for the season is an average rebounder at best. Just make sure to continue to never be wrong.
 
Haha, alright brother......the 6'3" kid that has averaged 8.4 boards over his last 5 and over 6 for the season is an average rebounder at best. Just make sure to continue to never be wrong.

Did I ever say average rebounder? He is a great rebounder, just saying his numbers are inflated. Just make to sure to continue to make things up.
 
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DX said:
So much to watch Jae Crowder playing defense off the ball. He finds a way to make an impact on each and every possession.

DX said:
His defense reminds of someone I know. RT @ShaneBattier: Jae Crowder from Marquette is fun to watch. Jack of all trades. Great player.
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Also, I'm warming up to Kendall Marshall at the weirdest time.

I think his play in the last couple months has won over all but a couple of us. I don't think the wrist thing changes anything, at all, about his draft stock. He has nothing left to prove and I would advise him to end the season rather than risk further injury or end his collegiate career playing at 60% (or whatever).
 
Wait! He could be getting totally smoked on defense... gaahhhh

Meanwhile, my love for Crowder gets harder. It's tough to see him making it into the 2nd round.
 
Wait! He could be getting totally smoked on defense... gaahhhh

Meanwhile, my love for Crowder gets harder. It's tough to see him making it into the 2nd round.

DX currently has him going two spots before us in the 2nd round. It's not impossible. Sometimes guys like that drop in the 2nd round because everyone is picking stash euros, or high potential projects.
 
DX currently has him going two spots before us in the 2nd round. It's not impossible. Sometimes guys like that drop in the 2nd round because everyone is picking stash euros, or high potential projects.


Crowder in the 2nd round would be awesome. Without looking at any mock drafts, I expected him to be in the late first round.
 
I am starting to like Beal more too. I've watched him finally and I love that he rebounds and does other things. My concern with Barnes is that he doesn't pass the ball and he doesn't have very good dribbling skills. He seems a little bit mechanical. I think his defense is better than people give him credit for but his rebounding numbers are bad and he isn't a great shooter. He is more of a streaky shooter. I think he fits into the Jazz offense but he is going to have to learn that he needs to pass the ball. I don't want another black hole on the team.

I agree with the comment about the Blazers targeting Beal. NJ has one of the dumbest GMs in the league. He is going to look like a FOOL if DW leaves NJ. I think it will cost him his job.
 
What opinion do people have regarding the kid from Michigan State (Green)? He seems like a versatile player, is he even a NBA player. I love his BB IQ and he has good handles and can really pass besides being tough as nails.
 
What opinion do people have regarding the kid from Michigan State (Green)? He seems like a versatile player, is he even a NBA player. I love his BB IQ and he has good handles and can really pass besides being tough as nails.

I love Draymond Green, the biggest problem though is his height, or lack thereof. If he was even legit 6'8" I think he'd sniff the late first round. The kid does everything from shoot the hell out of the 3 ball, rebounds like a monster in the Big 10 to being an AMAZING passing big man. Beyond that, if you watch any MSU games, you'll see he is the heart and soul of that team. Kid is fiery and a great cheerleader. I honestly think he's whats right with college basketball.......big fan of his. Just cant see him doing a lot of that at the next level because, even though he's listed at 6'7", I think he's more like 6'6"ish. I still think he could be a valuable player on most any team in the league.

You could do a lot worse than taking him in the second round.

*just saw DX has him going 29 to OKC*
 
I love Draymond Green, the biggest problem though is his height, or lack thereof. If he was even legit 6'8" I think he'd sniff the late first round. The kid does everything from shoot the hell out of the 3 ball, rebounds like a monster in the Big 10 to being an AMAZING passing big man. Beyond that, if you watch any MSU games, you'll see he is the heart and soul of that team. Kid is fiery and a great cheerleader. I honestly think he's whats right with college basketball.......big fan of his. Just cant see him doing a lot of that at the next level because, even though he's listed at 6'7", I think he's more like 6'6"ish. I still think he could be a valuable player on most any team in the league.

You could do a lot worse than taking him in the second round.

*just saw DX has him going 29 to OKC*
I am not going to pretend to really know anything about Green, but on the note of DX, Givony has said:

Draymond Green is a real conundrum for me. Does so many things well (can pass, shoot, rebound) but only 6-7 & probably too slow to guard 4s.

If true, that is a total ****ing yikes.
 
I am not going to pretend to really know anything about Green, but on the note of DX, Givony has said:



If true, that is a total ****ing yikes.

It is true.....isn't that what I said? He's a stretch 4 that is short and slow. If he wasn't and was still putting up the insane numbers he does he'd be a lottery pick. That said, he's a hustle/character/team guy with an immense BBall IQ. A lot of teams can use that off the bench.
 
I love Draymond Green, the biggest problem though is his height, or lack thereof. If he was even legit 6'8" I think he'd sniff the late first round. The kid does everything from shoot the hell out of the 3 ball, rebounds like a monster in the Big 10 to being an AMAZING passing big man. Beyond that, if you watch any MSU games, you'll see he is the heart and soul of that team. Kid is fiery and a great cheerleader. I honestly think he's whats right with college basketball.......big fan of his. Just cant see him doing a lot of that at the next level because, even though he's listed at 6'7", I think he's more like 6'6"ish. I still think he could be a valuable player on most any team in the league.

You could do a lot worse than taking him in the second round.

*just saw DX has him going 29 to OKC*

Draymond Green reminds me a lot of Hedo Turkolgu. Like Turk, they seem like they move in slow motion, but their handle is really good. They both play Point-Forward, but Turk is 6'10, but Green is way less erratic with his shot selection and probably a better rebounder.

I wonder if any team would allow Green to be their Point-Forward off the bench? He probably has better PG skills than many bench (probably starters too) PG's in the NBA. If he isn't allowed to be a Point-Forward, can his game still be effective?
 
It is true.....isn't that what I said?

Mostly. You didn't really bring up the speed, and I didn't highlight it like maybe I should have. But if you're undersized, you'd sure as hell better not be too slow for your position, too.

Maybe he's a bench player, but if he simply cannot guard a position on the floor you could be taking a real gamble just doing that.
 
I think his play in the last couple months has won over all but a couple of us. I don't think the wrist thing changes anything, at all, about his draft stock. He has nothing left to prove and I would advise him to end the season rather than risk further injury or end his collegiate career playing at 60% (or whatever).

Listen here if he can get out there with one hand he better do so. :) Stillman White is going to rule though.
 
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