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I don't know what it is. I was very down on Perry Jones last year. This year I like him. At 8 or 9. Eyeball test the guy oozes talent. But I admit he often looks like his motor's stuck in gear 2 or 3. Wish he'd try harder. Kinda like Favors - oozing talent, just wish he had a bit more fight in him.
 
BENTLEY said:
Well, I'm feeling swayed to join the pro-Marshall bandwagon, but I'm not sure. Scott Machado can be had in the second round - might be better value. But maybe Marshall's really a special player? Am I just wishing?
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I was high on Machado for a minute, but his competition was crap, and I've heard unnerving things about his competitive will/pride (doesn't really have it), and his off-hand is really weak. I think he'll make it to a team, but when it comes down to it, will be pretty easy to scout and gameplan out of a game (force him to his off-hand, get back in transition, crowd him).

Marshall on the other hand is tall for his position (and when you think about it, pure height advantage is most important for PGs [vision]), and COMPLETELY changed the course of UNC when he was made starter/when healthy. They went from a stunningly underachieving team to a #1 seed basically the second they made that switch. And they play in the ACC. And Marshall was breaking assist records all over the place in raw production and rate.

His D is something you have to really weigh and take a real look at. And you really hope he can become a better and/or more consistent shooter because the Jazz REALLY need that. He's just a player, though. I'm more or less 50/50 between him and Lillard.
 
margodydek said:
I was unaware that said experiment took place.
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Jump-shots. From the perimeter.

I don't disagree that his game is more perimeter-oriented than big-oriented, but in order to maximize his perimeter ability, he should be doing it against 4s. But that's also why I don't like him. 6' 11", long, and athletic, in his second year IN COLLEGE, and his rebounding numbers were crap. The kid just doesn't care.
 
I'm leaning more and more towards drafting Marshall at #8. It would have felt like reaching before, but now that PKM has said he's risen that much on some big boards, I don't think we would have to feel that way. I think Marshall is our guy.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Jump-shots. From the perimeter.

I don't disagree that his game is more perimeter-oriented than big-oriented, but in order to maximize his perimeter ability, he should be doing it against 4s. But that's also why I don't like him. 6' 11", long, and athletic, in his second year IN COLLEGE, and his rebounding numbers were crap. The kid just doesn't care.
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They did play mostly zone in Baylor, which could make his rebounding numbers go down. I'm about as meh/low on P.Jones as anyone, but if he has the athletic mobility to play the 3, I wouldn't hate taking a chance on him.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm leaning more and more towards drafting Marshall at #8. It would have felt like reaching before, but now that PKM has said he's risen that much on some big boards, I don't think we would have to feel that way. I think Marshall is our guy.
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There is still something that draws me to PJ3 over Marshall. I like what Marshall was doing but I love what PJ3 could do. I know it sounds stupid but that is how I feel about it right now.
 
BENTLEY said:
PKM - you've changed your tune on Marshall moving him up from the 20s to top 10.
Can you tell us why? Are you still down on him defensively? Are his weaknesses offset by his strengths or do you think he'll improve his weaknesses?
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Changed my tune mostly because what he IS good at he's better than I thought .. and what he's not as good at .. he's not as bad as I thought. In short I sold the kid short, he's better than I thought.
 
margodydek said:
Marshall is J-Kidd out of Cal minus the rebounds.
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I've never been real high on the Kidd comparison. They are both elite passers, yes. Both struggled early with shooting, yes. Difference is Kidd was very fast.

Having said that, I do feel better about Marshall's ceiling .. I think it's quite high.
 
Not really important, but thought I'd just give a heads up that, as of now, none of Teague, DLamb, MKG, TJones, or Davis will participate in pre-draft camps or workouts. It's a long story and has everything to do with the new dates the NCAA has instituted and their unfairness. Essentially, Calipari is thumbing his nose at the NCAA by having the UK players NOT declare .. which pushes the date they have to decide back from April 10th to the 29th .. 19 more days to decide. The downside is the players can't workout for teams .. but Cal says those things are overrated (the rest is complicated).
 
The thing about Perry Jones is that he could be a very effective player even if he never gets out of 2nd or 3rd gear. He'll always be able to shoot a jumper or runner due to his length, and he'll always be able to bother shooters somewhat (again, with his length). He doesn't get pushed around like Anthony Randolph. As long as he makes some effort on defense, I don't think he's really going to bust. The question is whether he's quick and disciplined enough to play out on the floor, or if he's really just a finesse big.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm leaning more and more towards drafting Marshall at #8. It would have felt like reaching before, but now that PKM has said he's risen that much on some big boards, I don't think we would have to feel that way. I think Marshall is our guy.
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Please no to Marshall at 8.
 
Catchall said:
The thing about Perry Jones is that he could be a very effective player even if he never gets out of 2nd or 3rd gear. He'll always be able to shoot a jumper or runner due to his length, and he'll always be able to bother shooters somewhat (again, with his length). He doesn't get pushed around like Anthony Randolph. As long as he makes some effort on defense, I don't think he's really going to bust. The question is whether he's quick and disciplined enough to play out on the floor, or if he's really just a finesse big.
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Yeah, his ceiling is high and at 8 or 9 I don't think his floor is all that different from the others around there. That's why I can't imagine passing on him if he's there. I'm just not sure about Marshall. I wonder if he's looking better merely because by comparison to the other PGs this year he's getting inflated value. That's why I was intrigued as to why PKM changed his mind on him and now thinks he's worth drafting at maybe 8. Is he special?

I still think it's really hard to pass on PJ3. Especially now that I'm hearing he's more a 2 or 3 than how they used him at Baylor. No motor but so much effortless talent.
 
What if we don't get any picks?

Then all 400 pages of this thing will be all for not when its all said and done.

What a waste this might be.
 
orangello said:
I am very hesitant to like Marshall at 8. 12-15 for sure, but not 8.
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He'll be the first or second pg taken in the draft. It's risky to assume he'd be there at 13 or 14. Kemba and Jimmer went 9 & 10 last year. I think the Jazz could get Lillard/Marshall at 8 and then T. Jones/Q.Miller/A. Rivers at 13/14.

I think that's what the Jazz would probably do unless they fall in love with a player like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones who happens to slip to #8.
 
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