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spycam1 said:
What have scouts said to you about MCW?
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Pretty quiet, actually ... (I'm usually asking).

The few times had feedback seemed like HUGE upside, EASY bust potential .. with most not wanting to roll the dice,

There's so much smoke-screening it's hard to tell .. so tifwiw..
 
PKM said:
Pretty quiet, actually ... (I'm usually asking).

The few times had feedback seemed like HUGE upside, EASY bust potential .. with most not wanting to roll the dice,

There's so much smoke-screening it's hard to tell .. so tifwiw..
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I'm not sure how I missed this PKM, but how are you connected to NBA scouts?
 
Here are my thoughts:

I like Burke but I would not reach or package to get him.

MCW scares me. A lot! I'd rather see someone else take that risk.

I was much higher on McCollum but with his broken foot I'm getting down on him slightly. I still like him more than MCW just because I see the future offense of the team running through Hayward or Burks and it would be better to have a consistent outside threat for a PG.
 
orangello said:
Here are my thoughts:

I like Burke but I would not reach or package to get him.

MCW scares me. A lot! I'd rather see someone else take that risk.

I was much higher on McCollum but with his broken foot I'm getting down on him slightly. I still like him more than MCW just because I see the future offense of the team running through Hayward or Burks and it would be better to have a consistent outside threat for a PG.
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McCollum's injury definitely killed his chances to go ahead of MCW or Burke.

Our feelings are very similar on Burke.

I'd probably be more willing to roll the dice on MCW than most here. But I do agree with what you said about wanting to run the offense through Burks and Hayward, and needing an outside threat to compliment them. However, at the same time, I think the biggest key to our future is Favors (and Kanter to a lesser degree) reaching their full potential; an elite passer like MCW would help with that. And unlike, say, Marshall, MCW wouldn't be a liability on defense (could potentially be a big help on this end, actually) and has much more potential as a scorer, imo.
 
spycam1 said:
McCollum's injury definitely killed his chances to go ahead of MCW or Burke.

Our feelings are very similar on Burke.

I'd probably be more willing to roll the dice on MCW than most here. But I do agree with what you said about wanting to run the offense through Burks and Hayward, and needing an outside threat to compliment them. However, at the same time, I think the biggest key to our future is Favors (and Kanter to a lesser degree) reaching their full potential; an elite passer like MCW would help with that. And unlike, say, Marshall, MCW wouldn't be a liability on defense (could potentially be a big help on this end, actually) and has much more potential as a scorer, imo.
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Yes, yes. I just see bust written all over him. I know he's a junior but isn't he the same age as a senior this year?

Also, Burks and Hayward try and find those two big mem on the roll more often than any true PG that this team has.

For me I am starting to feel like you just take BPA regardless of how stacked we might be at that position and take a risk on a Euro PG in the second round, or that kid from SDSU.
 
spycam1 said:
A very in depth look at MCW's assist numbers:

https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130104/syracuse-michael-carter-williams/
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Interesting article. I know some stats are pace adjusted, including % of FGs assisted, but it does look like MCW's assist figures are upped by playing at a fast tempo--maybe a bit similar to Scott Machado last year. But MCW is doing it at an elite program and against elite competition. There's nothing wrong with that.
 
Catchall said:
Interesting article. I know some stats are pace adjusted, including % of FGs assisted, but it does look like MCW's assist figures are upped by playing at a fast tempo--maybe a bit similar to Scott Machado last year. But MCW is doing it at an elite program and against elite competition. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Syracuse is playing up tempo because of MCW.
 
orangello said:
Yes, yes. I just see bust written all over him. I know he's a junior but isn't he the same age as a senior this year?

Also, Burks and Hayward try and find those two big mem on the roll more often than any true PG that this team has.

For me I am starting to feel like you just take BPA regardless of how stacked we might be at that position and take a risk on a Euro PG in the second round, or that kid from SDSU.
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He's a sophomore. No idea why he's older.
 
Catchall said:
Interesting article. I know some stats are pace adjusted, including % of FGs assisted, but it does look like MCW's assist figures are upped by playing at a fast tempo--maybe a bit similar to Scott Machado last year. But MCW is doing it at an elite program and against elite competition. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Huge difference between what Machado did and MCW .. Syracuse is playing elite competition is not known to be playing at abnormally accelerated pace ...
 
I can't find any info on why MCW is so old for a sophomore. I read through his entire high school career and don't see anything about him being held back (was an honor role student). Was he held back before high school? WHY ARE YOU SO OLD!?!?!
 
I like Trey Burke a lot especially his passing ability. My concern is his height and he doesn't seem like he has that extra gear in regards to speed. Some times speed/quickness can over come a lack of height. However, I think his passing and understanding of the game is very high. Again I haven't watched him very much but what I have seen I am impressed. Just a side note, I like the Robinson kid from Michigan too.

I am with PKM about not wanting to package picks just to get him. I think he will be available unless he continues to perform as he has then Burke may be too far out of our reach to even package our picks to get him. There is still a long ways to go before the draft. Right now, I think he is a very good backup PG on a good team which is a need for the Jazz. I think he could possibly be a good starter on a contending team if he continues to work hard and is on the right team.
 
Anyone watch enough of Trey to give feedback on whether he's improved his defense? Is he staying in front of his man?
 
mellow said:
So Trey Burkes, or MCM? I haven't seen either play, honestly I don't know a thing about them except what is written on draft express, but it looks to me that C.J. McCollum is a Jazz man. Small School, under-recruited, long arms, creates his own shot, shoots alot of FTs, skinny as a rail, upset Duke in the Tournament. If that doesn't say 'Jazzman' I don't know what does. Really the only thing lacking is to discover he was raised by his single mom in Mississippi and he has a foundation for blind children.

Also, you can't escape the Jazz's ability to draft a player that is a duplicate of somebody on the roster. McCollum could be Burks younger and shorter brother. Burks could show him the ropes of how a sg learns to play pg in the jazz system while only playing every fourth game and then as a sg. It is destiny.
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He is going to be a Jazzman I tell you.....and now they can try to make the playoffs and still get him.

Rick Bonnell: NBA scout told me Lehigh's C.J. McCollum's injury is sad, because missing 8-10 weeks could cost him late-lottery in a bad 2013 draft
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