Following potential 2013 draftees
- Thread starter Dr. Jones
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Well let's look at it this way.
KOC loves steady PG who controls the game and 'may be' can shoot the occasional 3's. Case in point: Tinsley, Watson.
So why not re-sign Tinsley and Watson. You have Burks who can play the PG. Then you go and draft Burke who's basically a younger version of Tinsley/Watson but will cost a fraction of the price & can shoot the 3's as well.
So now you'll have Burke, Tinsley, Watson, Burks at the PG at your disposal and you can spend that $32 elsewhere.
Hotdog
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But it will be Spy. The way the league is, guys are overpaid every year because there aren't enough actual really good players floating around. Its why we see guys like Eric Gorfon and Roy Hibbert getting max contracts. We'll have to pay ot because if we don't then he'll go get it somewhere else.
Hotdog
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We could sit here all day and discuss things that make sense, but its not how Jazz management really works. I don't disagree that we should draft a future point guard and not waste our money on Mo. I don't want Mo here for that money either. But KOC is paid to get this team to the playoffs, and be competitive. Rookies dont make you competitive. We may draft one, but I can guarantee we will have a vet in there getting the burn until the rookie is ready. There will be no handing the reigns over to some rook and taking a chance we don't make the playoffs. I think thats pretty evident. Plus I believe KOC really likes Mo's game.
spycam1
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This.
I'm of the opinion that we'll re-sign Mo, but still look to draft a PG of the future and have him "develop" off the bench till he's ready to start in a few years.
spycam1
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If we pay him that much per year, I hope it's for only two years.
Don't screw this up, Kevin O'Lindsey.
I can't cos I'm busy...
But personally I don't think KOC will re-sign him because:
- We just won't be able to afford the big/long-term/swan song contract Mo will be seeking (at least 4 years IMO);
- Since Kirilenko's experience, we've been gun shy in offering large/long term contracts anyway;
- Coming off his injury I doubt Mo will come back strong straight away (look at Kevin Love), making it hard to pull the trigger;
- Hesitation to offer the long term contract due to uncertainty, again from the injury;
- Fans haven't yet 'embraced' Mo the way KOC envisioned that we will.
Just my thoughts..
spycam1
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KOC has always said letting Mo go was the biggest mistake of his career. I'm worried he is going to overcorrect himself.
His re-iteration of this recently was merely a publicity stunt to make fans warm-up to Mo Williams' trade. He's a master communicator, everything he says has a purpose. Him saying that was simply to hide the fact that we flamed out on the GSW pick and eventually missing out on a long term PG from the draft.
Re-signing Mo in the twilight of his career for 4 more years is just stupid. And KOC doesn't do stupid.
spycam1
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GSW pick is going to be way higher than we could have hoped unless they suffer some major injuries. Thus, the guys we're talking about are most likely going to be in the range of our own pick (12-17).
We'd all love a PG of the future to complete our core, but there aren't any major PG talents in this draft. But that also means that the best PG's are in our range. I think we're all hoping we draft the best PG in the draft, and he surpasses expectations.
The main PG's of discussion:
-Michael Carter-Williams
-Trey Burke
-C.J. McCollum
spycam1
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I'd be pissed if we signed him for 4 years too. And yes, KOC has done stupid plenty of times in his career.
Some things are clear from his season here so far:
- Mo is no PG. He tries hard, but as it stands his passing & control of the game is just not quite there.
- Injury prone (even before the thumb injury)
- Not really a reliable option when the game's on the line
spycam1
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I'm not disagreeing.
spycam1
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Ford has bumped MCW up to #8.
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2013
In other news, nbadraft.net has McLemore going #1, lol.
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2013
In other news, nbadraft.net has McLemore going #1, lol.
Whaaatt........... haven't really seen him play, but isn't he similar to Marshall from last year?
Hotdog
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Actually he has said this many times, years before Mo came back. I can promise you that. I have listened to many of his interviews over the years. So he was not saying it just to warm us up to Mo. He said it when we had Deron in his twilight here. So your premise is wrong. Just trust me on this one. KOC has always said that was his biggest mistake.
And like Spy said, he does do stupid. He's not the worst GM ever, but he certainly isnt the god of GM's that everyone around here makes him out to be. He is average at best. Let me know how you feel about him in a year when you see that he did nothing to maximize our assets and we are all bitching about more players we can't stand. People keep trying to say, just wait, KOC has a plan, he is gonna trade Al. Or he is just biding his time to make that big move. I think we look back on this in a year and think what if. What if we would have made some trades instead of going for an 8th seed playoff run two years in a row. I think we will be left and dry wondering how we can get some help.
I hate to sound so down on the Jazz, but I have seen this show before many times. I'm just too damn frustrated with Jazz management. I don't believe they are all in. It feels far too much like they are just trying to not to lose.
OK let's take it as a given that he's said that many times. You still can't get away from the fact that Mo is now 30, would be seeking a long term, last-hoorah, swan-song, contract. It's a contract that won't be worth it no matter how you look at it.
That's very different to when KOC let him go years ago when he was just coming into the league with plenty of promise.