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Catchall said:
This guy Kevin Pelton at ESPN sure doesn't seem too high on Shabazz. He seems to diss him a few times in his chat. He also doesn't seem to think that McCollum is a point guard.
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Kevin Pelton is a stats guy and he thinks Bazz is overrated based on his analysis. Here's a part of his analysis as it pertains to Bazz:

That's bad news for Muhammad. First off, his NBA translation is poor, pegging him for a .313 winning percentage -- far worse than replacement level (.410) -- due to his low numbers in assists, steals and blocks. Because players develop so quickly in their teens and early 20s, such a projection isn't a death knell for a freshman. Eric Bledsoe, for example, rated similarly playing out of position at Kentucky.

That's where Muhammad's age is problematic. Because age, not class, predicts future development, we're now effectively comparing Muhammad to more polished sophomores. The extra year takes a significant chunk out of his WARP projection, dropping it from 1.0 WARP per season to 0.4 -- a figure that usually lands a prospect in the second round. My database, which includes all college rookies since 2005 and selects ones dating to 2000 (based on the availability of team stats), has just a handful of lottery picks with a WARP projection of 0.5 or lower.
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His theory on NBA translations can be found here:

https://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=376
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Interesting workout today with the Suns. Some interesting players there... I think there's a good chance we go with either Wolters or Green with our 2nd rounder. They are perfect fit for us if we want to go down the PnR heavy offense route.
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Neither will be available.
 
Hey NBN - is this you bro?? You're probably the biggest supporter of Larkin on JazzFanz right?

Jay (Utah)

It seems as if Larkin really impressed the Jazz during his workouts. Do you think he would be a good fit with the "core 4" (Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks) or do you think he is destined to be a good bench player, nothing more?

Kevin Pelton (2:29 PM)

I like him in Utah because of his shooting ability. That's an especially important factor if the Jazz view Burks as their 2-guard of the future.
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And.. another question here (really pushing Kevin to say that the lack of size of Larkin doesn't matter):

Jay (Utah)

So do you think that if you have good defensive big-men to protect the paint that the size of your point guard is much less important than their ability to get the offense running as long as they have the speed to not get beat every time?

Kevin Pelton (2:50 PM)

Yes. The size of your point guard is a much smaller defensive factor than the quality of your big men. Does make it more difficult to crossmatch, etc.
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Hotttnickkk said:
Hey NBN - is this you bro?? You're probably the biggest supporter of Larkin on JazzFanz right?



And.. another question here (really pushing Kevin to say that the lack of size of Larkin doesn't matter):
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That's why Nate Wolters is the point guard that won't give up much because his size will make up for his lack of athletic ability, which I think he has more than we think, especially if we are going to excuse Larkin's size with because we have excellent defensive bigs.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Hey NBN - is this you bro?? You're probably the biggest supporter of Larkin on JazzFanz right?



And.. another question here (really pushing Kevin to say that the lack of size of Larkin doesn't matter):
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Nah, bro my name isn't Jay and I live in AZ, lol. Let me say this though, as much as I love Larkin, Schroeder is the better fit for this team.
 
NBN said:
Nah, bro my name isn't Jay and I live in AZ, lol. Let me say this though, as much as I love Larkin, Schroeder is the better fit for this team.
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LOL.. could have swear it was you! Nobody on this board loves Larkin as much as you. Not that I know of anyway...
 
Hotttnickkk said:
LOL.. could have swear it was you! Nobody on this board loves Larkin as much as you. Not that I know of anyway...
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I would have asked something like "Who do the Jazz prefer more, Larkin or Schroeder?" Anyway, thanks to you I am definitely warming up to the idea of Schroeder, he shot a little above 50% from the three-point line in the Jazz workout which was a huge plus for me.
 
I found this while re-searching a little on Schroeder.
Executives who have researched Schroeder have expressed concern about his attitude and maturity, but one West official said "it's nothing that would make me pass him up."
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It's funny because up until a month or two ago, nobody on this board really even knew who he was until he declared for this draft instead of the 2014. Which was obviously the right choice, because he would go higher in this draft anyway and he could end up in a really good situation (Jazz).
 
I now denounce my love for Nate Wolters being the 2nd best point guard in this draft! CJ McCollum is the real deal and I think if we need to move up to get him in the 9-13 range then so be it. But we may not have to if Burke falls to 7th pick or lower.

My rank of 1st/early 2nd round point guards in this draft...

Trey Burke
CJ McCollum
Nate Wolters
Shane Larkin
Dennis Schröder
Michael Carter-Williams
 
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NBN said:
I found this while re-searching a little on Schroeder.


It's funny because up until a month or two ago, nobody on this board really even knew who he was until he declared for this draft instead of the 2014. Which was obviously the right choice, because he would go higher in this draft anyway and he could end up in a really good situation (Jazz).
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i knew over a month ago that the only reason why Schroder isnt a lotto pick are his "character concerns", if hes got no character concerns the jazz dont have a chance at him at 14..
 
and yeah Wolters 3rd pg and MCW 6th... good job...

lol

im not sure if theres any chance MCW falls to the jazz at 14

... as for Gobert vs Ajinca

AA was drafted on measurements alone, Gobert has skillz. he can finish and jump fairly quick for someone 7'2", Gobert can also run like the wind, and just generally has nice bounce in his step, with a 9'7" standing reach, i dont see how this player falls past 14
 
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