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Following potential 2014 draftees

Cyrone Torbin said:
I notice he is playing against scrubs and he can mess around and lead a fastbreak and make cute passes.

Can he do that at the college level? Maybe, probably. Can he do it at an efficient level that the coaches will embrace? Remains to be seen. I would respect highlight vids more if they show him committing TO's on those attempts.
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Fair enough point. But I guess a player analysis on high profile HS matchups woudn't be gaining the same amount of hits like highlighting that he can dunk over the 5'10" guy.
Is there even advanced data on HS players publicly available?
 
BTP said:
Fair enough point. But I guess a player analysis on high profile HS matchups woudn't be gaining the same amount of hits like highlighting that he can dunk over the 5'10" guy.
Is there even advanced data on HS players publicly available?
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No data available publicly that I am aware. It's normally difficult to find any stats at all, even basic.

However, NBA scouts compile their own analytics and pay people to collect data by watching tape on the top players.
 
Gonna try and read most of this thread sometime in the near future. Falling behind with this year's draft prospects.


I really like Dante-- but thats about it. I would imagine that the last piece of the puzzle for this team will be elucidated after the end of this season. If Favors, and Kanter show zero potential to carry a team's offense, then it'll let us know that we might have to address a need for reliable, consistent scoring for the upcoming draft.

If our starters are great, but our bench is ****, then maybe we should look for either a great 3rd pig, or a 3rd playmaker a la James Harden with OKC, Jarret Jack with GSW (lofty goals, but you gotta set em high).

If OG is right, and Burke becomes the next Sebastian Telfair (vomit), then we definitely need to look into a point guard.

We are in an awesome situation this year. Looking forward to closely following the progress of both our players, and college players in general. It's exciting how bought to gauge it is where this team will be a year from now.
 
dalamon said:
Gonna try and read most of this thread sometime in the near future. Falling behind with this year's draft prospects.


I really like Dante-- but thats about it. I would imagine that the last piece of the puzzle for this team will be elucidated after the end of this season. If Favors, and Kanter show zero potential to carry a team's offense, then it'll let us know that we might have to address a need for reliable, consistent scoring for the upcoming draft.

If our starters are great, but our bench is ****, then maybe we should look for either a great 3rd pig, or a 3rd playmaker a la James Harden with OKC, Jarret Jack with GSW (lofty goals, but you gotta set em high).

If OG is right, and Burke becomes the next Sebastian Telfair (vomit), then we definitely need to look into a point guard.

We are in an awesome situation this year. Looking forward to closely following the progress of both our players, and college players in general. It's exciting how bought to gauge it is where this team will be a year from now.
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Good post, dal.

I agree. We are in a very good position. Not only is this draft deep and talented, but we'll be able to draft very nice picks at a position of need.. if need be. Most all positions are represented fairly evenly.
 
PKM said:
Good post, dal.

I agree. We are in a very good position. Not only is this draft deep and talented, but we'll be able to draft very nice picks at a position of need.. if need be. Most all positions are represented fairly evenly.
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I think the draft lacks quality at Center and depth at point guard. Other positions, especially SG are uniquely deep and talented. Wouldn't be surprised if 6 years from now 3 of the top 5 SG in the league are '14 draftees.

PKM said:
No data available publicly that I am aware. It's normally difficult to find any stats at all, even basic.

However, NBA scouts compile their own analytics and pay people to collect data by watching tape on the top players.
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I always thought due to the one and done rule they would limit themselves to populating college games and let the colleges do the work to scout high schoolers.
 
BTP said:
I think the draft lacks quality at Center and depth at point guard. Other positions, especially SG are uniquely deep and talented. Wouldn't be surprised if 6 years from now 3 of the top 5 SG in the league are '14 draftees.



I always thought due to the one and done rule they would limit themselves to populating college games and let the colleges do the work to scout high schoolers.
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Para1: The center position isn't necessarily deep, but looking at where our picks are likely to fall, we see Willie Cauley-Stein, Joel Embiid, Mitch McGary, Isaiah Austin, and possibly Dakari Johnson / Patric Young. That's by no means a weak center class.
As for PG's, we will likely see Andrew Harrison, Kasey Hill, Jahii Carson, Micic.. and someone no one is talking about right now but will quickly rise on mock drafts.. Williams-Goss. Again, those positions aren't the deepest, but not thin either. PG is weakest, imo. Y'all recall me saying that 4 years ago????? That there would be a long drought of elite PG's.

Para2: That's mostly true, but they still CLOSELY watch the top 5 or so HS's.
 
PKM said:
Para1: The center position isn't necessarily deep, but looking at where our picks are likely to fall, we see Willie Cauley-Stein, Joel Embiid, Mitch McGary, Isaiah Austin, and possibly Dakari Johnson / Patric Young. That's by no means a weak center class.
As for PG's, we will likely see Andrew Harrison, Kasey Hill, Jahii Carson, Micic.. and someone no one is talking about right now but will quickly rise on mock drafts.. Williams-Goss. Again, those positions aren't the deepest, but not thin either. PG is weakest, imo. Y'all recall me saying that 4 years ago????? That there would be a long drought of elite PG's.

Para2: That's mostly true, but they still CLOSELY watch the top 5 or so HS's.
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Let me revise what I just said: I don't think there is center whose ceiling is more than DPOY. No Max Player. I know there's a lot who can clog the paint, but none of them really has the talent on the other end of the floor to justify a max contract. That's my opinion after watching all the aforementioned's highlights.
With PG I was a little bit premature as I totally forgot Smart for a second.

With Kasey Hill I'm not convinced in any form. The McDonalds All American showcase was now the 2nd stage where the quality of talent exceeded the usual high schooler and he was awful for a 2nd time.
Kasey Hill will never be a starting PG imo. His body is trash(short arms, short height), he's old(turning 20 in December, that's 3 months younger than Schröder who raw as he is, is equipped with elite court vision and athleticism and is already 1 year ahead of Hill's learning curve).

Nigel Williams-Goss was really good at the McDonalds game. But when I watch him play I think he's best suited to stay in college for a 2nd year.

Jahii Carson? You really think with his height and arms he's going to be more than Nate Robinson? I he'd light it up from 3 point land I'd say HELL YEA, just screen him all game long and he can shooter over a shield. But he's giving up on defense and his offense is not that convincing...This year's non conference schedule doesn't include other elite PGs. If they played vs Kentucky, Oklahoma State I'd be more convinced he could do damage.

Micic will be hit or miss. He could be special. If San Antonio scouts appear too often in Croatia this season, you better draft him early...

So I see 2 tall, strong point guards and that's it.
 
Croatia and Serbia game just started. If anyone interested to see Saric and Hezonja, can watch with this link. Can't promise if they will get playing time though, but at least Tomic is playing.

https://www.ntvspor.net/canliyayin

Edit: Also Vasilije Micic in the game for Serbia.
 
BTP said:
Let me revise what I just said: I don't think there is center whose ceiling is more than DPOY. No Max Player. I know there's a lot who can clog the paint, but none of them really has the talent on the other end of the floor to justify a max contract. That's my opinion after watching all the aforementioned's highlights.
With PG I was a little bit premature as I totally forgot Smart for a second.

With Kasey Hill I'm not convinced in any form. The McDonalds All American showcase was now the 2nd stage where the quality of talent exceeded the usual high schooler and he was awful for a 2nd time.
Kasey Hill will never be a starting PG imo. His body is trash(short arms, short height), he's old(turning 20 in December, that's 3 months younger than Schröder who raw as he is, is equipped with elite court vision and athleticism and is already 1 year ahead of Hill's learning curve).

Nigel Williams-Goss was really good at the McDonalds game. But when I watch him play I think he's best suited to stay in college for a 2nd year.

Jahii Carson? You really think with his height and arms he's going to be more than Nate Robinson? I he'd light it up from 3 point land I'd say HELL YEA, just screen him all game long and he can shooter over a shield. But he's giving up on defense and his offense is not that convincing...This year's non conference schedule doesn't include other elite PGs. If they played vs Kentucky, Oklahoma State I'd be more convinced he could do damage.

Micic will be hit or miss. He could be special. If San Antonio scouts appear too often in Croatia this season, you better draft him early...

So I see 2 tall, strong point guards and that's it.
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I am very confused as to what we're talking about here.
The context of my recent posts here was concerning the evaluation of our team after the season is over and we need to plug holes.
I had no idea I was talking to you about max players. I generally agree with most of what you're saying, but it's like it's a complete separate topic.

I was talking about filling holes with player(s) from our draft spots to fill weaknesses in the roster. A completely different topic than what you're arguing, I think.

Please try to keep up.
 
PKM said:
I am very confused as to what we're talking about here.
The context of my recent posts here was concerning the evaluation of our team after the season is over and we need to plug holes.
I had no idea I was talking to you about max players. I generally agree with most of what you're saying, but it's like it's a complete separate topic.

I was talking about filling holes with player(s) from our draft spots to fill weaknesses in the roster. A completely different topic than what you're arguing, I think.

Please try to keep up.
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Ye I just expanded it as to a general question as I don't feel comfortable to discuss the Jazz's needs next June at this point.
I'm just like: Yeah I hope high pick, grab&groom BPA unless you feell it's really really close talent wise with the availbale player on that spot and the next best player.
I'm at least not capable to predict if one of the bigs or backcourts won't live up to the expectations.
So you're prolly right in the big picture. I feel that draft might be so deep that a player picked at 40 could be picked at 20 in every other draft.
I wonder if that will lead to some kids returning to school in the end.
There'll be at least 3 player the Jazz can grab with their picks who will be worth to develop.
I just thought u mean the Jazz #1, which will be top 10 guaranteed. And some names simply didn't fulfil my top 10 expectations.
Plugging holes is a task for teams picking in the 20s comfortably in the playoffpicture for the next years.
A rebuilding team should build a foundation of core players that can compete down the road. And with the Jazz probably lacking that primary scorer I'd never look into filling holes. Just str8 up top talent.
 
I have faith that Burke will be a solid enough pg and favors, kanter and Gobert are going to hold down the front court. Hayward will be more consistent from 3 and burks will learn to play more within a more structured offense.

with that said the jazz would need a go to scorer as burks would be a 6th man. a stretch 4 would be my next option. after that it doesn't matter.

like I said before if the jazz miss out on the top 4 then Gordon fits with Hayward being a more consistent 3 pt threat. Ideally I would want Isaiah Austin for the stretch 4.

Burke, Neto, Clark
Hayward, burks
Gordon, rush (re-signed)
favors, Austin
kanter, Gobert

that is a solid team that compliments each other.
 
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