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PKM said:
I think I feel the same that pretty much everyone else does.. that Embiid has the higher ceiling, but Davis is already the real deal badass.
If Davis were in this draft I'd take him before Embiid, because he's a clear #1 pick... even knowing Embiid's ceiling is higher.
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Hmmmmmmmm
 
Hotttnickkk said:
How about Wilson Chandler, Rudy Gay, Igudala, Batum, Pierce, Jeff Green, I'll even throw Hayward in the mix too.
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You speak about your list defending KD and LBJ? Or Marcus Smart defending the guys on your list?
I also think that Adetokunbo may be the only guy in the NBA who has a shot at REALLY defending Durant in the future. I'm serious.
 
BTP said:
You speak about your list defending KD and LBJ? Or Marcus Smart defending the guys on your list?
I also think that Adetokunbo may be the only guy in the NBA who has a shot at REALLY defending Durant in the future. I'm serious.
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How do you think Brow and Gobert could fair in that department?
 
LazyD said:
How do you think Brow and Gobert could fair in that department?
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Of course at the rim they can alter his shots. But how many times does he drive to the rim? His shot distribution looks a lot like Dirk's. He's simply too tall, too fast and too mobile. 1 fancy dribble and body fake to get to his sweet spot and he pulls up. Many 3s are simply too short in general to defend him at all.
 
BTP said:
Of course at the rim they can alter his shots. But how many times does he drive to the rim? His shot distribution looks a lot like Dirk's. He's simply too tall, too fast and too mobile. 1 fancy dribble and body fake to get to his sweet spot and he pulls up. Many 3s are simply too short in general to defend him at all.
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yup. Durant is too sick with the handles. He'd blow by them if they crowded him, or he'd shoot over top if they gave him space. I think those two would do much better than most people though. It would suck to not have them around the rim, however.
 
LazyD said:
yup. Durant is too sick with the handles. He'd blow by them if they crowded him, or he'd shoot over top if they gave him space. I think those two would do much better than most people though. It would suck to not have them around the rim, however.
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With AD you may be right, but Gobert -> 1 crossover and he's gone.
 
I am starting to like the idea of julius randle. move favors to the 5 and trade kanter for a more prolific wing like deng.

Burke, Neto
Hayward, burks
deng, stauskas
randle, Payne
favors, Gobert

assuming the jazz miss out on Parker, wiggins or embiid
 
interesting little snippet from ford peloton debate

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10343917/2014-nba-draft-–-there-better-power-forward-prospect-julius-randle

Pelton: I find myself leaning toward Indiana's Noah Vonleh as the better freshman power forward. On a per-minute basis, their numbers are fairly similar. Randle is the better scorer, but there are a couple of reasons to favor Vonleh. First, because he reclassified, Vonleh is almost nine months younger than Randle and won't turn 19 until next August. Second, his steal rate is more than three times better than Randle's and solidly above average for a big man.


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Noah Vonleh, who has stepped up his game in recent weeks, is getting praise from scouts.
Vonleh might not have the "star" potential of Randle, but I tend to believe he's the stronger bet to be a solid contributor in the NBA.

Ford: It's not just the numbers that are starting to lean toward Vonleh. In the past week, I've had several NBA scouts tell me that they are now leaning toward him over Randle. That's a major change. Vonleh has been regarded as a top-10 pick, but this is the first time I'm hearing teams project him as a potential top-five pick -- and getting drafted ahead of Randle.

Why? He's bigger and longer, which are two factors that scouts obsess about. He also has, in the past few weeks, stretched his game out into the perimeter. In his past four games, Vonleh is 7-for-9 from behind the arc. His stroke looks really pure and he's beginning to look comfortable on the perimeter.

He also has a higher rebounding rate than Randle on the defensive boards. Plus, he shoots nearly 20 percent better from the field at the rim (70.1 percent to Randle's 50.2), he's more accurate on his 2-point jumpers (40.9 percent to 36.6) and much more accurate in his 3-point shooting (55.6 percent to Randle's 11).

So Vonleh is younger, taller, longer, shoots better from the field and possesses a better rebounding rate than Randle. The question we really should be asking ourselves is: "Why exactly is Randle ahead of Vonleh on the Big Board?"
 
Jako said:
interesting little snippet from ford peloton debate

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10343917/2014-nba-draft-–-there-better-power-forward-prospect-julius-randle

Pelton: I find myself leaning toward Indiana's Noah Vonleh as the better freshman power forward. On a per-minute basis, their numbers are fairly similar. Randle is the better scorer, but there are a couple of reasons to favor Vonleh. First, because he reclassified, Vonleh is almost nine months younger than Randle and won't turn 19 until next August. Second, his steal rate is more than three times better than Randle's and solidly above average for a big man.


Joe Robbins/Getty Images
Noah Vonleh, who has stepped up his game in recent weeks, is getting praise from scouts.
Vonleh might not have the "star" potential of Randle, but I tend to believe he's the stronger bet to be a solid contributor in the NBA.

Ford: It's not just the numbers that are starting to lean toward Vonleh. In the past week, I've had several NBA scouts tell me that they are now leaning toward him over Randle. That's a major change. Vonleh has been regarded as a top-10 pick, but this is the first time I'm hearing teams project him as a potential top-five pick -- and getting drafted ahead of Randle.

Why? He's bigger and longer, which are two factors that scouts obsess about. He also has, in the past few weeks, stretched his game out into the perimeter. In his past four games, Vonleh is 7-for-9 from behind the arc. His stroke looks really pure and he's beginning to look comfortable on the perimeter.

He also has a higher rebounding rate than Randle on the defensive boards. Plus, he shoots nearly 20 percent better from the field at the rim (70.1 percent to Randle's 50.2), he's more accurate on his 2-point jumpers (40.9 percent to 36.6) and much more accurate in his 3-point shooting (55.6 percent to Randle's 11).

So Vonleh is younger, taller, longer, shoots better from the field and possesses a better rebounding rate than Randle. The question we really should be asking ourselves is: "Why exactly is Randle ahead of Vonleh on the Big Board?"
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How about free throws?
 
I am just not that sold on Randle. Don't get me wrong but I don't see him as a dominating PF at this point. I think he overpowers guys in college but he isn't going to be able to do that in the pros. I think he will be a good player but I don't see as much potential as others do. If the Jazz are going to draft a PF then they definitely need to trade either Favors or Kanter. The Jazz don't need three starting PFs on the team especially when there are other needs.

I know people want to put Favors at Center and he can play it but it is not his best position. Same with Kanter. Vonleh didn't look to impressive when I saw him but I didn't know he was so young and it was at the beginning of the year. I will have to take another look to see his improvement.
 
Jako said:
interesting little snippet from ford peloton debate

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/10343917/2014-nba-draft-–-there-better-power-forward-prospect-julius-randle

Pelton: I find myself leaning toward Indiana's Noah Vonleh as the better freshman power forward. On a per-minute basis, their numbers are fairly similar. Randle is the better scorer, but there are a couple of reasons to favor Vonleh. First, because he reclassified, Vonleh is almost nine months younger than Randle and won't turn 19 until next August. Second, his steal rate is more than three times better than Randle's and solidly above average for a big man.


Joe Robbins/Getty Images
Noah Vonleh, who has stepped up his game in recent weeks, is getting praise from scouts.
Vonleh might not have the "star" potential of Randle, but I tend to believe he's the stronger bet to be a solid contributor in the NBA.

Ford: It's not just the numbers that are starting to lean toward Vonleh. In the past week, I've had several NBA scouts tell me that they are now leaning toward him over Randle. That's a major change. Vonleh has been regarded as a top-10 pick, but this is the first time I'm hearing teams project him as a potential top-five pick -- and getting drafted ahead of Randle.

Why? He's bigger and longer, which are two factors that scouts obsess about. He also has, in the past few weeks, stretched his game out into the perimeter. In his past four games, Vonleh is 7-for-9 from behind the arc. His stroke looks really pure and he's beginning to look comfortable on the perimeter.

He also has a higher rebounding rate than Randle on the defensive boards. Plus, he shoots nearly 20 percent better from the field at the rim (70.1 percent to Randle's 50.2), he's more accurate on his 2-point jumpers (40.9 percent to 36.6) and much more accurate in his 3-point shooting (55.6 percent to Randle's 11).

So Vonleh is younger, taller, longer, shoots better from the field and possesses a better rebounding rate than Randle. The question we really should be asking ourselves is: "Why exactly is Randle ahead of Vonleh on the Big Board?"
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Good find.... repped

the more good players, the better
 
Vonleh has improved so much this season its crazy, the 13 and 13 he had the other day vs MSU was very impressive. He's proven his rebounding is top notch and has more skill than many would give him credit for including a more natural handle than Aaron Gordon (who looks like a stiff driving the ball).... Vonleh is now shooting 55% from the floor and 55% from 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejknYNuk9cY heres some of his highlights vs Northwestern
 
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