Following potential 2014 draftees

[fishonjazz]

I've been leaning Randall the last week or so as well. Seems like a perfect fit next to favors. Not a fan of luol but definitely down with trading kanter to grab a starter caliber wing. Who fits this mold and is attainable besides loul?

Evan turner?

 

[Fishsticks]

Whaaaaaa? You wouldn't do that. Do you know who our gm is? He is Bawse Dog.

 

[Fishsticks]

Evan turner?

I like him, I don't get the hate. I'd be down. Prolly doesn't help our outside shooting much though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

no McDermott on that list?

Did a Ctrl+F search for his name on that list and no matches came up.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Whaaaaaa? You wouldn't do that. Do you know who our gm is? He is Bawse Dog.

Why in the **** would the Wizards trade Beal for Kanter? lol

 

[Fishsticks]

I like him, I don't get the hate. I'd be down. Prolly doesn't help our outside shooting much though.

he is really similar to Hayward the more I think about it except a worse shooter.

 

[Fishsticks]

Why in the **** would the Wizards trade Beal for Kanter? lol

Because. That's why pal.

 

[spycam1]

When i met spycam in real life, i immediately compared him to brad pitt

I've met spy too. I wouldn't say Brad Pitt, I'd say Matthew Mcconaughey.

Sent from the JazzFanz app

Stop fantasizing about me pervz

 

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Vermin smokin teh Beal. phew.

 

[BTP]

Agree.
The problem I see with Hayward right now is the Jazz don't need a playmaker - that role should go to the PG. I guess if you want to switch things around, then by all means have a poor-shooting SG be the point, but you better have a Fisher-like PG (in his prime) who can hit open shots. And so far, Trey has not shown that ability.

Hayward is generally out of control on his drives. And by no stretch of the imagination is he Kirilenko-like on defense, despite showing he has become about as accurate as Andrei on the offensive side of the ball. I've been a HUGE Hayward apologist for quite some time. But the Jazz are now facing a franchise-defining moment. Give Gordon a contract in the $8M-$12M range (whatever it shakes out as) and the Jazz have defined him as a top-3 or 4 player on the team. Veteran SG's and SF's who connect at 40% are a dime a dozen. There are 44 in the league right now shooting at a better clip - and some for a helluva lot cheaper.

Intangibles? Puhleeze. That word is kind of like saying "he plays hard." Burks has just as many "intangibles." Alec drives and draws the defense. Hayward drives and draws giggles the way the ball is exposed.

Count me in with the crowd that thinks the proper move at this point is a sign-and-trade. Let Alec be the starting SG and bring in a free agent or draft pick as the starting SF. Hayward has shown terrible inconsistency despite playing 30+ mins season after season. Rather than improving, his shooting is on the decline. Perhaps this indicates a bigger problem in terms of his off-season work ethic. Too many video games? Not enough dedication to improving his game?

I think we should give Trey until next year to get his 3 pointer under control. He'll eventually get consistency.
I don't like Burks as a starter simply because he's going to ruin as many plays as he's making. Tendency on the side pick and roll to attack no mans land and take difficult jumpers off the dribble. Even though he's looking more for the roll man which is good.
I read this article yesterday about Dragic, and I think some of it can apply to Hayward next season.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1956950-why-goran-dragic-is-thriving-as-phoenix-suns-star-protagonist
He's not playing within himself and that hurts his output. He plays hard though to prove he doesn't deserve the contract he has on his mind. 3rd/4th option with good playmaking qualities. He simply shouldn't do it via Pick and Roll.

Unless teams arent sure if he is coming over I dont see him lasting past 12. Randle and Saric play the same position so not sure whey we would draft both. I dont think Saric could guard 3s in the NBA.

He's coming over. His Croatian team is bankrupt and players haven't gotten payments. I don't see his contract upholding legally.

At first I was like how did the topic get to Hayward, then I realized we had been saying "Gordon" and just started to lol.

lol. But our Gordon is no 45% free throw brickster.

it blows my mind to see so many Stauskas lovers in this thread mainly because last year most didnt think Tim Hardaway Jr. was worth a 1st round pick..

he and Stauskas are very similarly built. 6'5 w/o shoes, 200lbs, 6'7" wingspan, 38" vertical (reportedly for stauskas), and very similar #'s(Stauskas' %'s are slightly better) at Michigan..

Whats going to prevent Stauskas from being the next Sergey Karasev? i dont get the lottery hype

Why would you hate on Karasev yet?
1) He's playing in Cleveland for Mike Brown. Okay that's 2 arguments again. Make it 1 + 2.
3) He's an international rookie, give him time. They never click in their first season.

Honestly, I've hardly seen any games.

He's dunked a couple times, not much though. Just not part of his game, he's not what one would consider an explosive athlete.

I wouldn't say his defense is horrible, but it's definitely not good. He gets exposed more than he should because Duke has no low-post defender to clean up his mistakes, but he reaches too much and doesn't use his feet enough. He has the tools to be an average to slightly above average defender in the NBA, but he'd have to work his *** off.

Doesn't remind me of Hayward at all. Better shooter, worse defender, worse ball handler, doesn't create as well...definitely a better scoring game though. Dude is smooth, he makes it look easy on offense. He benefits from playing with Jabari, but he's been shooting lights out and has good size and great offensive moves.

I think he'll simply stay in the corner/wing all game and if he's open or in rhythm he's going to hit more than he's going to miss. Having a drive as a counter move for an over enthusiastic close out isn't bad either.
I read everywhere that he takes pride in defending. Don't know if his body will hinder him in that area but he looks stronger compared to earlier seasons. I think he can play some advanced PJ Tucker. And you should check him out before you start hating.

 

[BTP]

Another Duke player, Sheed Sulaimon has been showing some really good potential as a combo guard...he's a bit undersized as a 2-guard, but he has been showing some great improvement as a PG in recent games. Hasn't played the 1 spot all year, just the last couple games.

11.6 PPG and 4.7 APG in his last 7 games, which I know aren't eye popping numbers, but trust me when I say he's been playing really, really well as of late. He's been shooting 49% from 3 this year, which is impressive considering he started the year off in a shooting slump. Good defender, good intangibles. He's worth a shot late in the first of this years draft or next year.

Totally like his game and would definately consider him as backup PG. I fear though that there's not enough minutes with Burks in the mix.

I think stuckey is a tweener who will never be a good starter.
Most i would pay him is mid level exception

Stuckey would duplicate Burks. A little bit of ballhandling, inconsistent shooting, good at attacking the basket, but defenses don't allow that too often.

I've been leaning Randall the last week or so as well. Seems like a perfect fit next to favors. Not a fan of luol but definitely down with trading kanter to grab a starter caliber wing. Who fits this mold and is attainable besides loul?

Wanted to say Evan Turner, but fishon was faster. Ariza , Tucker, Sefolosha, Aminu. Jeff Green and one of the T-Wolves should be obtainable(Brewer/Budinger). So it's looking not that sexy, unless LeBron and Crymelo opt out.

Evan turner?

First thing on my mind

 

[Hantlers]

Perhaps I misunderstood what you said...but did you really compare Rodney Hood to PJ Tucker? Cause that's just terrible. Especially defensively. Now when I say that I've hardly seen Hood play, what I mean is that I haven't seen every single game like I usually do. I've seen him enough to formulate a solid opinion on him, and his defense is average.

 

[BTP]

Perhaps I misunderstood what you said...but did you really compare Rodney Hood to PJ Tucker? Cause that's just terrible. Especially defensively. Now when I say that I've hardly seen Hood play, what I mean is that I haven't seen every single game like I usually do. I've seen him enough to formulate a solid opinion on him, and his defense is average.

PJ Tucker's body is average as well. What makes his defense good is practice, commitment, taking pride in shutting guys down. That's some scouting report on Hood I read.

 

[Hantlers]

PJ Tucker's body is average as well. What makes his defense good is practice, commitment, taking pride in shutting guys down. That's some scouting report on Hood I read.

I remember watching Tucker play quite a bit in college. He was much more athletic than Hood, and played with a lot more aggressiveness. Perhaps instead of reading scouting reports you should attempt to watch a game or two.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

PJ Tucker's body is average as well. What makes his defense good is practice, commitment, taking pride in shutting guys down. That's some scouting report on Hood I read.

Tucker and Hood are nothing alike. Tucker is a short wide body power player who uses his strength to muscle guys - and in college scored most of points on post ups and in the paint and was an excellent rebounder. Hood is rail thin wing who is a long distance shooter first, second and third, then a finisher either in a half court or transition offense.

In three years at Texas, Tucker attempted 4 three pointers. In less that a season at Duke, Hood has taken 111 threes.

 

[BTP]

I remember watching Tucker play quite a bit in college. He was much more athletic than Hood, and played with a lot more aggressiveness. Perhaps instead of reading scouting reports you should attempt to watch a game or two.

Tucker and Hood are nothing alike. Tucker is a short wide body power player who uses his strength to muscle guys - and in college scored most of points on post ups and in the paint and was an excellent rebounder. Hood is rail thin wing who is a long distance shooter first, second and third, then a finisher either in a half court or transition offense.

In three years at Texas, Tucker attempted 4 three pointers. In less that a season at Duke, Hood has taken 111 threes.

I'm not saying their body is alike. I'M just saying that neither has an elite body to defend. They can defend via hustle.
I've actually seen PJ Tucker play in person 6 times. So I know pretty good how he plays. Add another double digit numbers in PHoenix and Bamberg.
With Hood I've got highlights, 1 full game and 4 partial games. I feel he's trying to play defense and his rail thin body is steadily getting bigger.
This season Tucker attempts 2.3 3 pointer per game. And that's where I see an upside for Hood. Chillin in the corner knockin down 3s. Playing solid D.
I think Hood can be better. But it's not far fetched to see similar qualities even though their body and way of achieving the goal is different.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Does anyone actually think we will keep both 1st round draft picks?

Almost certain we are going to try and trade up, trade away a pick for a player, or draft a player we can leave overseas.


Oh well, just wanted to mention this dude in the 2nd round: https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elfrid-Payton-41413/

Is a junior, but started school a year early, so he is the age of your average sophomore (turns 20 in a week). Big scoring PG with length.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Does anyone actually think we will keep both 1st round draft picks?

Almost certain we are going to try and trade up, trade away a pick for a player, or draft a player we can leave overseas.


Oh well, just wanted to mention this dude in the 2nd round: https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Elfrid-Payton-41413/

Is a junior, but started school a year early, so he is the age of your average sophomore (turns 20 in a week). Big scoring PG with length.

I think he will balk at the cost of moving up in this draft. Last year it was a little different there was no one at 21 worth taking and we desperately needed a PG. This year we don't desperately need any starting positions and there is much more talent around 21 where the GS pick figures to be.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Saw this tweeted by Arizona Basketball:

Max vertical:
1. Nick Johnson 47"
2. Aaron Gordon 43"
3. Gabe York 42.5"

 

[Stifle Tower]

Saw this tweeted by Arizona Basketball:

Max vertical:
1. Nick Johnson 47"
2. Aaron Gordon 43"
3. Gabe York 42.5"

Max vertical = most overrated measurement in basketball.
Shooting...can the guy Put it in the basket? Lay up is as good as a dunk. How's a player's mid-range game? 3-PT FG's%?
Rebounding...does the player block out or does he rely on that extra 2-3" of max vertical to come over a defender's back?

I don't care what a player's max vertical is. How many times does it really matter in a game?

So Gordon's max vertical is about equal to his FT%. That seems like a much more important (and alarming) stat to me. Gordon can never be used as a closer in a game. His terrible percentage is going to cost a team 5-8 pts per game. Does his defense make up for it?