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Cyrone Torbin said:
Dude, shut up. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Williams hasn't been able to play PF because every team he has gone to has already had an established super-star PF, so the coaches try to play him at SF, which is the dumbest move.

I can nearly guarantee Williams would be a pretty good PF if he went to the right team. It might be too late in his development to undo the bad habits that have already formed from trying to be a SF though.
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I didn't know the Kings have an established super-star PF. Care to tell me who that is?
 
LazyD said:
You're looking at it all wrong imo. It's not a matter of getting 'SF skills' or 'PF skills', it's just a matter of becoming a better basketball player. If he, or anyone for that matter, is one of the players that gives the team the best chance to win when he's on the floor, then he will play. Doesn't matter how tall, heavy, or athletic he is. If he helps win, he'll play.
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You're looking at it from the team's perspective. I'm looking at it from the player's perspective. If I'm a player, I'd want to be starting every single game, not just the line up that will allow me to play.


Aaron Gordon had made it public that he wanted to play the 3 at the next level. Take from that what you will.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
You're looking at it from the team's perspective. I'm looking at it from the player's perspective. If I'm a player, I'd want to be starting every single game, not just the line up that will allow me to play.


Aaron Gordon had made it public that he wanted to play the 3 at the next level. Take from that what you will.
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You should look at stuff for a team perspective, it makes no sense to look it from a player perspective.

I don't care what a player wants to do. Like you said, he wants to tell teams that he believes he can be a SF so he can be more appealing. I think he can be a SF, but it won't be a Day 1 thing. That is why Derrick Williams development got messed up, becasue the team tried to force him into something unnatural too fast and didn't have the patience to develop him properly (yes, the Corbin method would have benefited Williams greatly).

Demarcus Cousins is the Kings super-star PF. How can you not see that? You want to call him a center? Fine, but he occupies the space on a court that a PF would, then they added Rudy Gay, who also occupies a lot of PF space. Derrick Williams alongside Gay and Cousins is an awful, awful fit.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You should look at stuff for a team perspective, it makes no sense to look it from a player perspective.

I don't care what a player wants to do. Like you said, he wants to tell teams that he believes he can be a SF so he can be more appealing. I think he can be a SF, but it won't be a Day 1 thing. That is why Derrick Williams development got messed up, becasue the team tried to force him into something unnatural too fast and didn't have the patience to develop him properly (yes, the Corbin method would have benefited Williams greatly).

Demarcus Cousins is the Kings super-star PF. How can you not see that? You want to call him a center? Fine, but he occupies the space on a court that a PF would, then they added Rudy Gay, who also occupies a lot of PF space. Derrick Williams alongside Gay and Cousins is an awful, awful fit.
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*At least this is the case for players who are considered hardworking/coachable/team-first players. He will do what the team wants, just as he has done at Arizona. A player like Gordon though you can't really pigeonhole, which is why he should be developed off the bench w/ a more uptempo squad led by him and Burks.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
*At least this is the case for players who are considered hardworking/coachable/team-first players. He will do what the team wants, just as he has done at Arizona. A player like Gordon though you can't really pigeonhole, which is why he should be developed off the bench w/ a more uptempo squad led by him and Burks.
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And I know the thought of drafting a rookie to bring off the bench is disappointing for people who were expecting the savior of the franchise, but too bad, it is reality. The team needs to sign a legit MLE (or higher aka Ariza) level SF to start, then have a 3-man big rotation of Gordon/Favors/Kanter, could go 4 w/ Gobert getting minutes too.

Favors: 35 mpg
Kanter: 32 mpg

Leftover: 96 - 67 = 29 mpg left. Give like 25 to Gordon and spot minutes to Gobert, there will be some extra minutes to give to him too when Kanter/Favors/Gordon inevitably get in foul trouble from time to time.

After a full season of Favors/Kanter we will know if they are truly compatible and how to move forward. Gordon can play extra minutes when the athletic/stretch 4's of the NBA are abusing Favors/Kanter on the perimeter.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
And I know the thought of drafting a rookie to bring off the bench is disappointing for people who were expecting the savior of the franchise, but too bad, it is reality.
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Can you blame us? We've been put through this awful, awful season, some games I just can't bear to watch anymore.

Cyrone Torbin said:
After a full season of Favors/Kanter we will know if they are truly compatible and how to move forward. Gordon can play extra minutes when the athletic/stretch 4's of the NBA are abusing Favors/Kanter on the perimeter.
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Serious questions - how many teams in the NBA today are playing stretch 4's on a regular basis? Looking at the top teams: Pacers - West, Spurs - Duncan, Heat - Bosh, OKC - Ibaka, Clippers - Blake, POR - Aldridge, etc, etc, etc. Karl Malone said in the broadcast the other day "What the ****'s a stretch 4?".

I for one am not gonna draft Aaron Gordon with the 6th pick to sit on the bench waiting for the right lineup to come along so that he can finally get some time against stretch 4's.


The caveat is if Gordon can bulk up ala Blake and still retain his explosiveness - something Evans hasn't been able to do in his 4 years in the NBA.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Can you blame us? We've been put through this awful, awful season, some games I just can't bear to watch anymore.



Serious questions - how many teams in the NBA today are playing stretch 4's on a regular basis? Looking at the top teams: Pacers - West, Spurs - Duncan, Heat - Bosh, OKC - Ibaka, Clippers - Blake, POR - Aldridge, etc, etc, etc. Karl Malone said in the broadcast the other day "What the ****'s a stretch 4?".

I for one am not gonna draft Aaron Gordon with the 6th pick to sit on the bench waiting for the right lineup to come along so that he can finally get some time against stretch 4's.


The caveat is if he can bulk up ala Blake and still retain his explosiveness - something Evans hasn't been able to do in his 4 years in the NBA.
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Did you not see how I typed "athletic/stretch" as in athletic or stretch 4's. Both give Favors and Kanter problems. The fact that Terrance just dropped 30 on us should show you this is a legit problem.

Gordon is still 18 years old, his body will be fine. He isn't weak by an means and plays solid post defense even with his body not being fully developed. He will have the perfect mix of strength and athletic ability to guard positions 1-4 effectively.

West gave us tons of problems with his shooting ability and ability to drive off of it because Favors/Kanter couldn't contest his shots and contain his penetration. Same thing with Bosh. Both those players are PF's with ability to "stretch" the defense and give bigger big men problems.

You aren't waiting around for the right lineup to happen to get Gordon in the game, you are just developing him off the bench. BPA and Gordon will be that after the 3rd pick.

Burke/ Garret
Hayward/ Burks
Ariza (hopefully)/ Burks
Favors / Gordon
Kanter / Gordon

Pretty solid 8 man rotation right there where Gordon could get enough minutes to make a difference for the team. Assume the regular season rotation would be more of a 9-10 man rotation with an extra wing (maybe another rookie, or some kind of vet FA) and another big (Gobert).
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I was the first and most consistent voice on the 'positioning' of Randle. He should play more of a LeBron type role, holding the ball top of the key, passing, making plays and driving & dishing.


I stopped watching UK basketball when all I saw was Randle being buried deep in the paint, plays after plays, after plays, while the likes of Young, et. al. pass the ball around & jacking up contested 3's at the buzzer.
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Dumbass
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I was the first and most consistent voice on the 'positioning' of Randle. He should play more of a LeBron type role, holding the ball top of the key, passing, making plays and driving & dishing.


I stopped watching UK basketball when all I saw was Randle being buried deep in the paint, plays after plays, after plays, while the likes of Young, et. al. pass the ball around & jacking up contested 3's at the buzzer.
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Dumbass
 
W/ Kanter and Exum, I wonder if a highly touted American prospects will ever decide to skip college and take a year off and let the hype machine retain their high draft status? Especially if they had strong showings in international tourneys (Yes, I know Kanter didn't willingly skip college).

Would that work for an American? If Andrew Harrison did that, would he still be considered a top 10 pick? Shabazz the year prior? Barnes the year before that?

All serious questions.

I'm sure it won't happen because of the money involved in starting your "brand" in college and the money/benefits that schools undoubtedly give top prospects.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
W/ Kanter and Exum, I wonder if a highly touted American prospects will ever decide to skip college and take a year off and let the hype machine retain their high draft status? Especially if they had strong showings in international tourneys (Yes, I know Kanter didn't willingly skip college).

Would that work for an American? If Andrew Harrison did that, would he still be considered a top 10 pick?

All serious questions.

I'm sure it won't happen because of the money involved in starting your "brand" in college and the money/benefits that schools undoubtedly give top prospects.
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It's something to consider especially if Adam Silver is serious about wanting to change to a two-year rule, which he apparently does (see todays Boston Globe comments).

I think it's bad for the NBA team if kids decide to skip college and head overseas.. there's a reality that exists that college fans are following their teams players into the NBA. THAT would happen even more so if the two year rule were to be applied.. so long as most kids don't go overseas.

Need to allow for some serious provisions for kids staying in college for two years. Some of which are addressed by Silver in the Globe article.
 
PKM said:
It's something to consider especially if Adam Silver is serious about wanting to change to a two-year rule, which he apparently does (see todays Boston Globe comments).

I think it's bad for the NBA team if kids decide to skip college and head overseas.. there's a reality that exists that college fans are following their teams players into the NBA. THAT would happen even more so if the two year rule were to be applied.. so long as most kids don't go overseas.

Need to allow for some serious provisions for kids staying in college for two years. Some of which are addressed by Silver in the Globe article.
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Didn't mean going overseas, just not playing competitively for a year and practicing by w/ trainers, like Exum is doing.
 
I'm all for the two-year rule as a college fan. Would be interesting to see if it created more of a upper-tier talent dispersal among schools.
 
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