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Following potential 2014 draftees

offensive rating - defensive rating

Parker 115.0 - 99.3
Randle 116.0 -97.1
Gordon 108.9 - 88.6
Vonleh 113.0 - 91.7
Harrell 121.4 - 87.8
 
the second half of the Memphis game was really his best moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVcNfA_z5M&t=2m14s

hes interesting could end up being a guy like JJ Hickson. might not declare this year unless he feels hes top 17
 
I see Kanter as a player who could be considered part of a Big Three. He's got nice quickness, motor and court awareness for a guy that size. He's got a nice mid-range game developing, with a jumper out to 20+ feet. He can rebound and play decent position defense. Plus, he's got nice post moves. I think he can be our 2nd option, our Kevin McHale so to speak, once we get a first-option scorer.

Hayward will also flourish as a third option. He just forces too much when he tries to be a first-option or second option.

Burke will basically be the player he is now, playing both on and off the ball. He'll just gain maturity and confidence.

If we add Wiggins or Embiid to this group, we can fill in the gaps with Favors as a defensive center or by adding a 3/D SF.
 
Hantlers said:
I just don't know what the hell a 'meat center' is.
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Well someone who's not clogging the paint by being tall and altering shots, but having a big, strong body. Think Ben Wallace or Kendrick Perkins or JJ Hickson, who's a good comparison IMO. meat center is something I invented to describe slow footed human meat shields. In this case the guys have spent so much time in the weight room that they're getting slow. Plus being 6'8 and not being able to guard screen play out and not being able to guard faster PFs who can put it on the floor doesn't help.
 
Hantlers said:
Wiggins, despite his inconsistency, is the complete package. He has the potential to be great on both ends of the court...he's also the only player in the draft that can really say that.

Parker is excellent on offense, below-average on defense.

Gordon is excellent on defense, below-average on offense.

Randle is quite good on offense, below-average on defense.

Embiid is a game changer on defense, and his offense is ok. Embiid has the best chance after Wiggins at being able to positively affect both ends of the court.

It seems like Exum also has a chance at being a good player on both sides, but it's hard to say considering the competition that he has played.

Every top player has some concerns, so it really just comes down to who fits your team the best and what style you want to play. It's also difficult for us as fans, because we don't know who our coach will be or what style we will play. I think that pairing Parker with an effective post defender could work. I think pairing Gordon with a real stretch 4 could work. Wiggins and Embiid will work with anybody, Randle needs a quality post defender to pair with him. It will be easier to say once we know where we're picking.
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So which type of these are easier/more realistic/cheaper to get via free agency in the next years?
 
sojodave said:
So your saying we've gotta chance. Ping pong balls never go Jazz way. Maybe it's time.
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Actually I think the Jazz moved up in the lottery the year they drafted Kanter. However, for the most part the Jazz have gotten screwed by coin tosses over the years.
 
BTP said:
Was just hypothetically speaking what player you'd have to offer to walk away with a healthy Embiid. Our current draft position makes it more likely that we end up with Gordon and trade for Embiid.
TLDR Don't see either scenario happen!
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Right now the Jazz are tied with Boston at the 4th spot with Boston having two games with Philly. I think the Jazz have to drop a few spots to be in the Gordon drafting position. The Jazz will still have a legitimate shot at Embiid if they are in the top 3 and maybe 4. No one knows that much about Exum so if he comes in and blows people away then he could be a top 3 guys. A few GMs already have him there.
 
spycam1 said:
We could have seen Gordon vs Randle.

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Randle is an Alpha, a difference maker, a go to guy. He was the MOP of the region. Gordon is just another cog in the machine. IOW, there's a reason Randle is still playing and Gordon isn't. And it isn't because Kentucky is a better team than Arizona.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Randle is an Alpha, a difference maker, a go to guy. He was the MOP of the region. Gordon is just another cog in the machine. IOW, there's a reason Randle is still playing and Gordon isn't. And it isn't because Kentucky is a better team than Arizona.
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I like Randle too. Think he will be terrific.
Especially after the reports with him and his mom.
Seems like a good character guy.
Just wondering how he gets time with Favors, Kanter, Gobert, etc.
 
slc said:
I like Randle too. Think he will be terrific.
Especially after the reports with him and his mom.
Seems like a good character guy.
Just wondering how he gets time with Favors, Kanter, Gobert, etc.
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Favors/Gobert
Kanter/Marvin
Randle
Hayward/Burks
Burke
 
mhindy said:
How can you play SF if you can't shoot and only want the ball in the post?
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I posted this late last year. Watch it if you've got time. I do believe he's better in transition, and in space, creating for his teammates and scoring off the dribble. I don't think he'll be as effective beating his man in the post in the NBA.

To me he's really dangerous, top of the key, holding the ball. He can pass it. He can dribble, draw 2 defenders and dish it. He also has enough quickness to take it to the hole and finish, or draw the foul.

Hotttnickkk said:
More evidence of Randle's SF skills on show in last night's game:

- 0.39min: outlet pass to start a fast break, give & go & scores
- 0.51min: assist to 3pt shooter on the perimeter
- 1.09min: starting from the 3pt line, drives baseline and finished with AUTHORITY!!!
- 1.33min: a running outlet pass to start a fast break - leading to a quick/easy basket
- 1.53min: touch pass in the paint
- 2.19min: received a pass at the 3pt line, dribble/drive to the hoop, draws foul and scores
- 2.53min: handles the ball in open court, drives to the painted area - quick pass out to 3pt shooter
- 3.02min: Again, starting at the 3pt line, dribble/drive to the hoop - this time quick pass to the man in the paint who scores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmKZBMPLuqg
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Look at this video below for Randle's SF skills. He likes to handle the ball in transition, in the open court. He likes to create for himself and his teammates, and to me he is most dangerous holding the ball top of the key and making plays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhuK___3PA

- 0.09min, right elbow, spin move into the lane, pass out to a wide open 3pt shooter

- 0.22min, knocks down open 3pt top of the circle

- 0.29min, top of the 3pt line, drive, spin into the lane, kicks out to the corder for a wide open 3pt shot

- 0.56min, started again, top of the 3pt line, hesitation dribble into the paint, easy lay in

- 1.41min, receives the ball top of the 3pt line, quick dribble and pull up jumper top of the key

- 2.24min, receives the ball in transition, top of 3pt line, dribbled down the lane and slams it

- 2.45min, dribbles in transition into the painted area, quick dish out to the shooter who took a quick dribble and scores


Keep in mind this is only off of highlights of just 1 game.
 
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