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Following potential 2014 draftees

Gamer13 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the jazz do use the gsw pick that it is a draft and stash player like hezonja.
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Or assets in a trade to get a very good veteran. Jazz have a ton of cap space; there might be a team looking to move a good veteran in order to free up salary room.
 
Gamer13 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the jazz do use the gsw pick that it is a draft and stash player like hezonja.
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Hezonja first has to enter the draft which he 90% won't do.

Cyrone Torbin said:
Still not sure why we automatically assume Parker is a "smart" player. Are smart players that awful on defense, have that poor of shot selection, and have that bad of an A:TO ratio (on a loaded 3pt shooting team too)?

Skilled player with good size, yes.

Smart? The jury is still out.
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agree! I also often expect players who appear smart off the court to be smart on the court. This assumption doesn't always work somehow.

Cyrone Torbin said:
Also you have to be blind to not realize how bad Kanter has been on defense his first 3 years. Yes, he showed some glimpses of being able to play something that resembles NBA defense at points his sophomore year, but those moments where few.

Burke was just awful on defense too. Didn't do a great job of contesting shots, containing ball handlers, AWFUL at getting around screens, etc.

Corbin might not be a defensive mastermind, or even an average defensive coach, but he wasn't given much to work with defensively besides Favors. Yes, I know team defense is the most important, but I don't know of many coaches who could take a team so young and teach them proper team defense.
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Not sure if you're defending Corbin's defensive rotations...
BUT consider this:

Bulls 09/10: DRtg 105,3(11th) 41-41 (Coach: Vinny del Negro Corbin)

Bulls 10/11: DRtg 100,3(1st) 62-20 (Coach: Tom Defensibeadeau)
In this year the Bulls had a 25yr old Deng, Brewer, Gibson, Noah, 22yr old Rose, 29 yr old Boozer and Korver, 30yr old Bogans, 38yr old Kurt Thomas, 26 yr old CJ Watson, 24 yr old Asik.

Not exactly a veteran team IMO. I'd say that Corbin is a horrible coach and won't make any excuses. No matter who you have on your roster, you're not the 2nd worst defensive team in the league when there's multiple teams tanking on purpose with a 111.3 DRtg. No matter how bad your individuals are defensively it's the coach's responsibility to diminish these weaknesses and find options to stay competitive on this end. Defense is the biggest impact a coach can bring.

Cyrone Torbin said:
Yes, but he also would cost much more money and must actually sign with us.
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Trevor Ariza was a 2nd rounder in the 2004 NBA draft. he had a 2 yr contract initially. He was traded in his 2nd year at the deadline to the Magic. In his last season with the magic he upped his game significantly earning himself a 3 year extension worth $3.1M annually.

He pretty much stagnated following his extension in his first year and regressed in his 2nd year and was traded midway through to Los Angeles. In LA he upped his game immediately under the bright lights in the city of angels. After being part of the 2009 NBA championship as a fringe starter 25mpg guy he was like: 'FK staying ima take the richest offer' and ultimately signed a $34M/5yr offer from Houston.
With his pocket full of cash he opted for more holidays and his ORtg took a 13pt hit in his first season in Houston.

Next summer he was traded to New Orleans. He was even worse for them than for Houston. He got his defense back up a little but his scoring stay horrible over the course of 2 seasons that he stayed in NO. He was traded to the Wizards in 2012.

His first Wizard year he was basically the same no show he was in New Orleans and Houston. But then in the summer of 2013 his agent informed him that he was in a contract year again. And with the help of a well renowned Wizard he worked his way thru the 2013 offseason and after 4 horrible no show years offensively with a ORtg of 97-102 well below the league average he miraculously posted a 113 ORtg over the 2013/2014 season in addition to his always solid defense. He added the ability to knock down a high volume of 5.8 3 pointers per 36min at a respectable 40.7% clip. At age 28...

So now this Trevor is headed into free agency. He'll want to use his bird rights to score a 4 yr extension with the Wizs that will make the team very sorry at the end of his contract as his athleticism is already declining. Other teams have a MLE for a 3yr offer at hand. And then there's the question: Is he going to coast once he has that tract in his pocket?
I don't wanna take that risk. So even if Mo Harkless can't score consistently yet, I'd rather have him... Or Luol Deng who costs significantly more but at least is a locker room leader and stuff.
 
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I think its safe to say Luol Deng would cost the Jazz about 4 years 56Mil

Chicago apparently valued him at about 7-8Mil before the year, he turned down 3 years 30 mil and was traded shortly thereafter. Rumored to be looking for a contract in the ballpark of Iguodala and Josh Smith
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I think its safe to say Luol Deng would cost the Jazz about 4 years 56Mil

Chicago apparently valued him at about 7-8Mil before the year, he turned down 3 years 30 mil and was traded shortly thereafter. Rumored to be looking for a contract in the ballpark of Iguodala and Josh Smith
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Don't do it.

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The Mo Harkless talk interests me. I'd probably trade a 23rd pick for him.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I think its safe to say Luol Deng would cost the Jazz about 4 years 56Mil

Chicago apparently valued him at about 7-8Mil before the year, he turned down 3 years 30 mil and was traded shortly thereafter. Rumored to be looking for a contract in the ballpark of Iguodala and Josh Smith
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DL mentioned that after giving Hayward a substantial raise, Jazz still have a MAX slot available if they were to find a player and he accepted. I think that was in his radio interview. I doubt that player would be Deng. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see him as that big of an impact player. Lindsey also mentioned teams needing to clear salaries and the great financial position the Jazz are in. I think it's more likely the Jazz use some of their assets to acquire a good player that a team just can't afford (like Houston did with Harden). The FA market, even on the restricted side, isn't very strong. Which is actually bad in our case...teams with $ to spend may pursue Hayward just because he'll be one of the top FA's available.
 
Core4 said:
DL mentioned that after giving Hayward a substantial raise, Jazz still have a MAX slot available if they were to find a player and he accepted. I think that was in his radio interview. I doubt that player would be Deng. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see him as that big of an impact player. Lindsey also mentioned teams needing to clear salaries and the great financial position the Jazz are in. I think it's more likely the Jazz use some of their assets to acquire a good player that a team just can't afford (like Houston did with Harden). The FA market, even on the restricted side, isn't very strong. Which is actually bad in our case...teams with $ to spend may pursue Hayward just because he'll be one of the top FA's available.
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I agree with this. There isn't much supply, so Hayward will get paid.
 
A. Wiggins

Chad Ford's Top 100: No. 1

Strengths: Athleticism, Defense | Weaknesses: Assist %

WARP projection: 1.5 (23rd among Top 100)

Comparables: Luol Deng (98.2), Tobias Harris (97.5), Maurice Harkless (96.6)

J. Parker

Chad Ford's Top 100: No. 2

Strengths: Usage, Shooting, Rebound %, TO % | Weakness: Assist %

WARP projection: 2.7 (fourth among top 100)

Comparables: Carmelo Anthony (96.4), Michael Beasley (96.1), Kevin Durant (95.3)
 
If PKM can post from his Nevada bunker, I'm wondering if he knows if there's a good chance Randle stays for another year? He hasn't declared yet and Calipari is set to meet with him, the Harrisons, Poythress and Johnson this week. If Randle doesn't declare, the tie-breaker we won over Boston might be HUGE! All of a sudden, there's the big-3 (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid), maybe the next two (Exum, Smart) + perhaps Gordon and Vonleh after that before the talent takes another drop. And maybe we're wrong about the prospects of Smart, Gordon or Vonleh. Perhaps after workouts one or more disappoints. Or maybe Embiid DOES have serious medical issues with his back. If a couple of teams jump ahead of us in the lottery, the difference in picking just one slot higher than Boston could be very meaningful.


https://espn.go.com/mens-college-ba...-coach-john-calipari-meet-may-enter-nba-draft
 
kabenac said:
I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Decent defender, can hit the three and from the few Orlando games I've watched I've noticed he has pretty good shot selection.
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I think hes getable too. Mo wasnt too happy about losing minutes this year, its not because hes regressed or anything the Magic just like to play Afflalo as an undersized 3 next to Oladipo, both are good defenders so Harkless is just the odd man out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9yK0vr-cCQ
 
Omg k for sure Dennis Lindsey #GoGetHarkless. Is his defense that good, bros? Like how good are we talking. His measurements and athleticism are bawse, his shooting is good enough. He'd be a great, great get for this franchise IMO. Definitely a risk you swing for.
 
hes pretty good defensively tbh, good hands and feet (very fluid athlete), and hes got some nice anticipation and tenacity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxJWdTw4RWI
 
We need to call the Jazz FO and tell them to trade for him. Let's bug the hell out of DL until he caves!

I think Harkless is a good defender. For being 20 I'm somewhat impressed by his defense.
 
Listening to the DL press conference about Ty. DL just said "I don't know if bringing in three new players to this young roster is the smart thing". I wouldn't be surprised if our pick at #23 is packaged for a vet.
 
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