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For the record, I like Randle. It's hard not to like a guy with his demeanor, fearlessness, and so on. I just wouldn't take him in the range the Jazz will be selecting. Doesn't have the upside.
 
For the record, I like Randle. It's hard not to like a guy with his demeanor, fearlessness, and so on. I just wouldn't take him in the range the Jazz will be selecting. Doesn't have the upside.

Depends which position you're pegging him. As a PF I think he'll get dwarf by the bigs in the NBA. But as a SF I think he has tremendous upside and can potentially dominate if a team is willing to invest in his development.
 
Depends which position you're pegging him. As a PF I think he'll get dwarf by the bigs in the NBA. But as a SF I think he has tremendous upside and can potentially dominate if a team is willing to invest in his development.
Yeah spy set himself up for that one.
 
If you think all Randle can do is rebound and score in the post, I challenge you to watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhuK___3PA#t=33

- 0.10min: Randle right elbow, drive, spun in the lane, passed out to a 3pt shooter

- 0.24min: Randle with 3pt shot top of the key

- 0.30min: Randle up top of the 3pt line, drive to the paint - kicked it out to 3pt shooter for an open corner 3pt

- 0.55min: Handling the ball top of the key, drove into the lane, basket and foul

- 1.05min: Inside scoring

- 1.40min: Randle top of the 3pt line, open 18 footer - good.

- 2.05min: Inside scoring

- 2.24min: Running the floor, receives pass and finish strong

- 2.45min: Again, handling the ball in open floor, quick pass to a shooter


And this is just off of a combined UK highlights of 1 random game. I simply don't have time to review a whole game, but hope you guys got the gist of it. Randle can handle the ball, can drive, can pass and make plays.


Or we can use his season totals…I think that's more indicative.

He shot 16% from 3 for the season, while rarely shooting them. If he could shoot them, he would either shoot more, or have a higher percentage.

He averaged 1.4 assists per game. Boy, he sure is some passer/creator. Might I also mention that he averaged 2.5 turnovers per game.

He averaged 0.5 steals per game, and 0.8 blocks per game. While steals and blocks never tell the whole story, the fact that he couldn't average more does say quite a bit about his defensive capabilities. All you have to do is look at how many times he's been dunked over (Russ Smith in particular). Besides, what makes you think he's going to suddenly become a much better defender at the NBA level than the college level? He had a hard enough time with Russ Smith of all people...

We're talking about a guy who has a short wingspan…which isn't always detrimental, but it sure as hell is when your main way of scoring is by using your strength. That's why I often use Tyler Hansbrough as a comparison. While I believe Randle is better, he's going to have the same problems that Hansbrough has had…and Hansbrough has a better jump shot!

If Randle improves his jumpshot, he could become a David Lee type. That's not somebody that I would draft top 10, personally.
 
I laugh at anyone who thinks all Randle can do is score and rebound, tbh.

What else does he do well enough to warrant a top 10 selection?

He doesn't pass. He doesn't defend. Outside of FT's, he hasn't shown that he can hit jump shots well. He can dribble well for a PF, but about average for a SF. He has below-average length. He's very aggressive, and he's always going to play hard, but that will only take you so far.

So again, what else does he do, outside of turn the ball over?
 
According to Nickkkkkkkk.

Julius Randle can shoot, defend, create/pass, and rebound: 15/10 on 50% from the floor, 15% from 3, and 70% from the line. 1.4 assists, 0.5 steal, 0.8 blocks per game.

Dario Saric cannot shoot, defend, doesn't have the length, or explosiveness: 17/10 on 49.7% from the floor, 34.5% from 3, and about 70% from the line. 3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.9 blocks per game.

Might I also add that Saric plays against grown *** men.
 
everyone has really soured on Randle in this thread i still have him at 7. for all the things he cant do, he can start right away

he fits next to Demarcus Cousins @7
If Monroe leaves, he fits next to Drummond @8
he definitely fits with the 76ers 2nd pick @10
If they dont trade the pick, he most likely fits with the Lakers@6
 
According to Nickkkkkkkk.

Julius Randle can shoot, defend, create/pass, and rebound: 15/10 on 50% from the floor, 15% from 3, and 70% from the line. 1.4 assists, 0.5 steal, 0.8 blocks per game.

Dario Saric cannot shoot, defend, doesn't have the length, or explosiveness: 17/10 on 49.7% from the floor, 34.5% from 3, and about 70% from the line. 3 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.9 blocks per game.

Might I also add that Saric plays against grown *** men.

Well Calipari played Randle at the PF all season long, I don't think you can expect him to have the assist numbers that a typical SF would have. If you he had played Randle at the SF, I'm pretty sure he'll have a lot more assists, he'll get better looks from 3's, etc, etc, etc.


That's why I felt the need to post these videos to show you that it's not enough just to simply look at the box scores. If watching the Box Score is be all and end all, then scouts would be out of the jobs.
 
Well Calipari played Randle at the PF all season long, I don't think you can expect him to have the assist numbers that a typical SF would have. If you he had played Randle at the SF, I'm pretty sure he'll have a lot more assists, he'll get better looks from 3's, etc, etc, etc.


That's why I felt the need to post these videos and not just simply look at the box score. But if watching the box score is your thing, then go ahead. But then all the scouts would be out of the job cos there would be no need to do actual real scouting work and determine whether the guy can ball.

And if you actually watched the games, you would realize that Randle doesn't shoot from deep well, doesn't pass well, and sure as hell doesn't defend well.

You can't just ignore the numbers nicky boy, they do tell part of the story. Certainly not the entire story, but you can't just ignore them.
 
Well Calipari played Randle at the PF all season long, I don't think you can expect him to have the assist numbers that a typical SF would have. If you he had played Randle at the SF, I'm pretty sure he'll have a lot more assists, he'll get better looks from 3's, etc, etc, etc.


That's why I felt the need to post these videos to show you that it's not enough just to simply look at the box scores. If watching the Box Score is be all and end all, then scouts would be out of the jobs.

Considering he was supposed to be drawing double and triple teams all season i would expect his assist numbers to be higher than that, pf or no pf
 
And if you actually watched the games, you would realize that Randle doesn't shoot from deep well, doesn't pass well, and sure as hell doesn't defend well.

You can't just ignore the numbers nicky boy, they do tell part of the story. Certainly not the entire story, but you can't just ignore them.

He doesn't do those things well RIGHT NOW because he had been playing the PF position all season long and Calipari just had him deep in the post most of the time.


To me he will be OK as a PF, but with the right development by a dedicated team, he has the 'potential' to be GREAT at the SF position as he's already physical enough dominate any SFs in the NBA not named LeBron. He needs to improve handling and shooting, but if Millsap can do it - so can Randle.
 
Considering he was supposed to be drawing double and triple teams all season i would expect his assist numbers to be higher than that, pf or no pf

There's a difference between passing freely in open court, and passing out in duress while you're doubled or triple teamed.
 
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This is how Randle was guarded all year. He averaged a little over an assist per game.

He's a great passer guys!!!
 
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